Seven Going Down HD Route too with 7HD

prl · Post by **prl** » Sat May 14, 2016 17:30

prl wrote:
IanSav wrote:... LCN-70 definitely has the correct picon after the rescan. (LCN-70 has been a clone of LCN-7 for many years.) ...
True, but from a serviceref point of view the two are distinct. As Geoff points out, the serviceref for LCN 70 has changed from
1:0:1:564:506:1013:EEEE0000:0:0:0:
to
1:0:19:564:506:1013:EEEE0000:0:0:0:
...
That's why I'm a bit puzzled that it still works.

I've found out why after having a look at the code for loading the picons. If a serviceref 1:0:N:... is converted into a picon filename and not found, then the filename conversion is retried for the piconref as 1:0:1:... unless N == 2.

Grumpy_Geoff · Post by **Grumpy_Geoff** » Sat May 14, 2016 17:53

arthurbach4 wrote:
dRdoS7 wrote:Hi,

arthurbach4 wrote:I hope I haven't missed this throughout this thread but I do I need to do a partial scan to access the new channel 70?

Thanks!
I found it best to do Manual Scan, and set Clear to "yes".

First time I did a Location scan, and ended up with 3 SD 7s, and 1 HD 7. I did it again (as noted above), and it was as it should be, 2 SD & 1 HD.

dRdOS7
OK, for me the answer was a little simpler and in case anyone else was having a similar blonde moment here is the solution:

You probably already have channel 70 scanned in but simply haven't included it in your current favourite channels list. Go into the menu options and simply include channel 70.

Thanks.

This change is not just a name change (7 Digital to 7HD {city name}, as additionally the Service Type segment of the Service Reference changes from 0x01 MPEG2 to 0x19 MPEG4.
e.g. For Melbourne LCN 70:
old serviceref 1:0:1:534:503:1013 and name 7 Digital
new serviceref 1:0:19:534:503:1013 and name 7HD Melbourne

If you don't rescan at all, then the above changes won't be recognised.

If you just scan the Seven Network transponder only (RF 6, 177.5 MHz), or do a complete scan without clear, then you'll still have the old "7 Digital" LCN 70 present in the "lamedb" scan data.
The old name won't appear in your Terrestrial TV LCN bouquet, but it will appear in your Providers list.
It will make a difference if you use IceTV to set timers, as they may list against "7 Digital" if that's what they first match when sent and hence won't show as a timer in the EPG.
It won't make a difference if you set timers from the EPG,
It may make a difference if you have timers set by the AutoTimers plugin - I'm not sure of the process, perhaps it is -

process each AutoTimer entry in turn
then for each, parse the EPG data looking for a match
if found, then use the LCN to derive the service ref to use in the timer by looking up the LCN in lcndb. If there are two LCN 70s present, the wrong service ref may be chosen and result in the same issue as IceTV above.

That's my understanding, but I'm a neophyte in this area.

Cheers
Geoff

Grumpy_Geoff · Post by **Grumpy_Geoff** » Sat May 14, 2016 17:57

prl wrote:...
I've found out why after having a look at the code for loading the picons. If a serviceref 1:0:N:... is converted into a picon filename and not found, then the filename conversion is retried for the piconref as 1:0:1:... unless N == 2.

So we weren't seeing things that shouldn't be there after all

dRdoS7 · Post by **dRdoS7** » Sun May 15, 2016 09:40

Hi,

I checked my wife's T2, unlike me she hadn't done a scan since before 7HD started. Her All Channels list contained 3 x 7 SD, plus the 7HD, same as I had after a scan, but before I did a second "Manual Scan" with a "Clear".

dRdoS7

Rockets · Post by **Rockets** » Mon May 16, 2016 10:17

I factory reset my T3 when I want to do a rescan. I have very little customization of the interface options, only use the ICeTV plugin and don't use any of the network streaming features so it's easy for me to do. I've found it's more reliable and all the station numbers don't get out of whack.

At this point in time 7HD in Perth is pretty pointless. 7 showed the Freo AFL game on 7 only while American Pickers was on 7HD. 7 is still failing at the HD game as Melbourne and Adelaide being the only two markets to receive 7HD as a simulcast of Seven's primary channel. WTF

prl · Post by **prl** » Mon May 16, 2016 10:38

Rockets wrote:...
At this point in time 7HD in Perth is pretty pointless. 7 showed the Freo AFL game on 7 only while American Pickers was on 7HD. 7 is still failing at the HD game as Melbourne and Adelaide being the only two markets to receive 7HD as a simulcast of Seven's primary channel. WTF

This seems to confirm my and IanB's opinion that the whole 7HD thing has been rushed and mainly motivated by wanting to catch up with the other networks in having "football in HD".

MrQuade · Post by **MrQuade** » Mon May 16, 2016 11:17

Rockets wrote:I factory reset my T3 when I want to do a rescan. I have very little customization of the interface options, only use the ICeTV plugin and don't use any of the network streaming features so it's easy for me to do. I've found it's more reliable and all the station numbers don't get out of whack.

A manual tuner scan with "clear services" will achieve exactly the same result and will be much easier for you to do. I know that re-scanning isn't required very often, but even so, a full factory reset is a bit of a drastic measure for a routine task.

There was some discussion over making the "full region scan with clear services" the default option when doing a scan to make it even easier.

Grumpy_Geoff · Post by **Grumpy_Geoff** » Mon May 16, 2016 14:51

dRdoS7 wrote:Hi,

I checked my wife's T2, unlike me she hadn't done a scan since before 7HD started. Her All Channels list contained 3 x 7 SD, plus the 7HD, same as I had after a scan, but before I did a second "Manual Scan" with a "Clear".

dRdoS7

How did the new "7HD" service appear on your wife's T2 though, as pre-scan, LCN 70 wouldn't have changed its name though, right?
As per your Feb. Service Reference data posted in the picon thread, LCN 70 was known as "7 Digital" -
<e2service>
<e2servicereference>1:0:1:534:503:1013:EEEE0000:0:0:0:</e2servicereference>
<e2servicename>7 Digital</e2servicename>
</e2service>

Was the name change dynamic?

Cheers
Geoff

dRdoS7 · Post by **dRdoS7** » Mon May 16, 2016 19:53

Hi,

Grumpy_Geoff wrote:
dRdoS7 wrote:Hi,

I checked my wife's T2, unlike me she hadn't done a scan since before 7HD started. Her All Channels list contained 3 x 7 SD, plus the 7HD, same as I had after a scan, but before I did a second "Manual Scan" with a "Clear".

dRdoS7
How did the new "7HD" service appear on your wife's T2 though, as pre-scan, LCN 70 wouldn't have changed its name though, right?
As per your Feb. Service Reference data posted in the picon thread, LCN 70 was known as "7 Digital" -
<e2service>
<e2servicereference>1:0:1:534:503:1013:EEEE0000:0:0:0:</e2servicereference>
<e2servicename>7 Digital</e2servicename>
</e2service>
Melbourne_SID.png
Was the name change dynamic?

Cheers
Geoff

I did a re-scan this morning.

Prior to that it had 7, 70 & 71 all called "7 Melbourne", plus a new 70 called "7HD Melbourne".

Both 70 channels displayed "1920 x 1080" in the Infobox. Both had the same "7" icon.

I added 7HD to her Favs, and removed 7, no idea which one though.

dRdoS7

Grumpy_Geoff · Post by **Grumpy_Geoff** » Mon May 16, 2016 23:53

dRdoS7 wrote: I did a re-scan this morning.

Prior to that it had 7, 70 & 71 all called "7 Melbourne", plus a new 70 called "7HD Melbourne".

Both 70 channels displayed "1920 x 1080" in the Infobox. Both had the same "7" icon.

I added 7HD to her Favs, and removed 7, no idea which one though.

dRdoS7

Adding the new Service must be dynamic then (but obviously in this case though still leaving the old details remaining), as was the name change.

It should be easy to work out by a process of elimination which of the "7 Melbourne" services you knocked out from the Favourites bouquet by determining which is left.
If you're viewing one of the "7 Melbourne" services in Live TV, and then press MENU -> Information -> Service -> OK, then you'll see the Service reference listed (last screen entry). Compare the SID (fourth segment of the service ref string -- 1:0:{service type}:{SID}:{TSID}:{ONID}) from that info display with that of the SIDs below.
LCN 7 (7 Melbourne) is SID 0530
LCN 71 (7 Melbourne) is SID 0531
LCN 72 (7TWO Melbourne) is SID 0532
LCN 73 (7mate Melbourne) is SID 0533
LCN 70 (7HD Melbourne) is SID 0534
LCN 76 (7flix Melbourne) is SID 0535

It probably doesn't matter though unless she is using IceTV

dRdoS7 · Post by **dRdoS7** » Tue May 17, 2016 08:18

Hi,

Grumpy_Geoff wrote:It probably doesn't matter though unless she is using IceTV

No, and no ICE.

We've managed to get our recordings (mostly) for the last 10 years without it, so can't see us ever getting it.

She's started using AutoTimers, though that may be a case of pressing the wrong key in the EPG!

dRdoS7

prl · Post by **prl** » Tue May 17, 2016 09:01

dRdoS7 wrote:...
She's started using AutoTimers, though that may be a case of pressing the wrong key in the EPG!
...

You'll probably need to re-make any AutoTimers filters that contain Seven and 7HD services explicitly, and to check that the Seven services are all correct in any bouquets that AutoTimers use.

dRdoS7 · Post by **dRdoS7** » Tue May 17, 2016 17:29

Hi,

prl wrote:
dRdoS7 wrote:...
She's started using AutoTimers, though that may be a case of pressing the wrong key in the EPG!
...
You'll probably need to re-make any AutoTimers filters that contain Seven and 7HD services explicitly, and to check that the Seven services are all correct in any bouquets that AutoTimers use.

Yes, and I checked her existing timers too, otherwise she'd wonder why they weren't showing up in the EPG.

dRdoS7

tezza007 · Post by **tezza007** » Thu May 26, 2016 11:45

Just wanted to check what i thought someone said about Perth
7HD is just 7Mate at this stage correct? Cause that's what I'm getting

MrQuade · Post by **MrQuade** » Thu May 26, 2016 13:28

tezza007 wrote:Just wanted to check what i thought someone said about Perth
7HD is just 7Mate at this stage correct? Cause that's what I'm getting

Yep, likewise, and Wikipedia says that is the intention for now.

Rockets · Post by **Rockets** » Thu May 26, 2016 23:10

tezza007 wrote:Just wanted to check what i thought someone said about Perth
7HD is just 7Mate at this stage correct? Cause that's what I'm getting

Your correct. But if you watch AFL it's even worse in Perth as 7 aren't broadcasting daytime matches in HD unlike all the other capitals.

Freeview press release that explains it all http://www.freeview.com.au/about-us/new ... d-channel/

Grumpy_Geoff · Post by **Grumpy_Geoff** » Fri May 27, 2016 00:05

Rockets wrote:... But if you watch AFL it's even worse in Perth as 7 aren't broadcasting daytime matches in HD unlike all the other capitals.

Saturday's St Kilda V Fremantle game is on 7Mate HD (LCN 70)
Sunday's West Coast V Gold Coast game is on Seven though

http://www.freeview.com.au/tv-search/?r ... fl&x=0&y=0

tezza007 · Post by **tezza007** » Fri May 27, 2016 09:35

Rockets wrote: But if you watch AFL it's even worse in Perth as 7 aren't broadcasting daytime matches in HD unlike all the other capitals.

I only watch the NRL Eels games, which used to in in HD on GEM. Now I get to hear the announcers say it's in HD when it isn't

Rockets · Post by **Rockets** » Fri May 27, 2016 11:53

Grumpy_Geoff wrote:
Rockets wrote:... But if you watch AFL it's even worse in Perth as 7 aren't broadcasting daytime matches in HD unlike all the other capitals.
Saturday's St Kilda V Fremantle game is on 7Mate HD (LCN 70)
Sunday's West Coast V Gold Coast game is on Seven though

http://www.freeview.com.au/tv-search/?r ... fl&x=0&y=0

Let me clarify my statement. In Perth some day time AFL matches aren't being broadcast in HD. eg Sunday's West Coast game. Let's just hope they broadcast the Grand Final in HD this year.

From the Freeview Press release:

Some AFL matches in Perth are not available in HD – what’s going on?

Correct – some daytime Perth matches are broadcast on Ch7, not 7mate, and are therefore not simulcast on 7HD. Prior to the introduction of 7HD some Perth daytime matches were on 7 and not available in HD so nothing has changed.

itstonyb · Post by **itstonyb** » Tue Oct 04, 2016 10:44

looks like 7 have dropped 7HD except for simulcasting 7 mate content.
7 are the only channel to not simulcast its prime channel on HD.

prl · Post by **prl** » Tue Oct 04, 2016 11:16

itstonyb wrote:... 7 are the only channel to not simulcast its prime channel on HD.

Oh? What's ABC News 24, then?

And the whole HD situation is quite different in the regionals. In Canberra we have neither 7HD nor Ten HD.

IanSav · Post by **IanSav** » Tue Oct 04, 2016 11:39

Hi Itstonyb,

itstonyb wrote:looks like 7 have dropped 7HD except for simulcasting 7 mate content.
7 are the only channel to not simulcast its prime channel on HD.

This depends on where you are located. 7HD as a HD version of 7 is going strong in Melbourne.

The HD channel on the Seven Network is usually associated with the channel that is normally used to broadcast the AFL. I believe this is due to contractual obligations to the AFL.

Regards,
Ian.

IanSav · Post by **IanSav** » Tue Oct 04, 2016 11:41

Hi Prl,

prl wrote:And the whole HD situation is quite different in the regionals. In Canberra we have neither 7HD nor Ten HD.

ABC is leaving their run quite late to make ABC News 24 SD and create a new HD version of ABC. I wonder if this is still due to happen this year?

Regards,
Ian.

prl · Post by **prl** » Tue Oct 04, 2016 11:49

IanSav wrote:... ABC is leaving their run quite late to make ABC News 24 SD and create a new HD version of ABC. I wonder if this is still due to happen this year? ...

No Idea. It seems that re-branding ABC3/Kids has taken priority.

IanSav · Post by **IanSav** » Tue Oct 04, 2016 13:37

Hi Prl,

prl wrote:No Idea. It seems that re-branding ABC3/Kids has taken priority.

We also still have the re-brand of ABC2 still to be revealed.

Regards,
Ian.

IanB · Post by **IanB** » Wed Oct 05, 2016 08:05

IanSav wrote:Hi Prl,
prl wrote:No Idea. It seems that re-branding ABC3/Kids has taken priority.
We also still have the re-brand of ABC2 still to be revealed.

Regards,
Ian.

Bloody Rhonda/Karstan

Grumpy_Geoff · Post by **Grumpy_Geoff** » Sun Dec 18, 2016 16:19

Just saw a post on the IceTV forum stating that 7HD Sydney (LCN 70) is now an HD simulcast of Seven's main service,
I checked here in Perth and found the same. I'm guessing Brisbane has changed too.
Now for IceTV to catch up

IanSav · Post by **IanSav** » Sun Dec 18, 2016 16:30

Hi Geoff,

Grumpy_Geoff wrote:Just saw a post on the IceTV forum stating that 7HD Sydney (LCN 70) is now an HD simulcast of Seven's main service,
I checked here in Perth and found the same. I'm guessing Brisbane has changed too.
Now for IceTV to catch up

I wonder if this is permanent or only until the footy starts again?

Time for another picon update.

Regards,
Ian.

MrQuade · Post by **MrQuade** » Sun Dec 18, 2016 21:38

IanSav wrote:I wonder if this is permanent or only until the footy starts again?

Hmm interesting. I've redone my bouquets again, and hope they just leave it like this. It's a real pain.

IanSav wrote: Time for another picon update.

The picons are still ok. The 7HD picon was never set as the 7Mate logo (in Perth at least), so the picons are actually more correct now than they were before in my opinion.

Another reason I'd prefer it to stay this way!

Rockets · Post by **Rockets** » Mon Dec 19, 2016 12:51

Lets hope it stays this way permanently and they haven't just done it for the Aus Open. Does any one know if Seven have said anything officially about the change? I looked and I couldn't find anything. I did see a post in the in the IceTV forum that it would stay this way until the footy starts.

IceTV EPG has caught up this morning for Perth. It's showing the same content across 7 & 7HD.

Edit: Found a website reporting that it's only for the Tennis and will go back once AFL starts. F**ckers.

https://decidertv.com/page/2016/12/16/s ... pen-tennis

Couldn't give a rats about Tennis.

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