HELP - can't see computer's shares.

scaredy cat · Post by **scaredy cat** » Sat Dec 29, 2012 17:37

YES, I have read the sticky posts.

Though I am not stupid, reading the posts, things are mentioned which I can't "resolve" to how to get them.

The tabs mentioned aren't there.
(See later)

I go through the other bits, and it doesn't work.

Going into ADMIN' tools and all that..... I am not too keen to do that.
Most of what is shown/mentioned doesn't make sense to me.

I can see my shares on another PC easily. But not from the BW (DP-P2) Latest software I believe.
Though updates aren't exactly "thick and fast".

One of the posts talks about moving the files into the "Shared documents" folder.
Yeah, right. That's about 5 gig of stuff. Not going to happen.

So what is it I am missing?

I have my GUEST account on my machine and it is active.
Though I can't find how to see if the password is "null" and those other things mentioned.

If someone could oblige me a bit more help on what to do, I would appreciate it.

prl · Post by **prl** » Sat Dec 29, 2012 17:50

scaredy cat wrote:...
I can see my shares on another PC easily. But not from the BW (DP-P2) Latest software I believe.
...
So what is it I am missing?
...

Saying what version of Windows you're using (XP? Vista? Win7? Win8?) and what version of the Beyonwiz firmware you're using.

The advice about what to do depends on which version of Windows you're using.

scaredy cat · Post by **scaredy cat** » Mon Dec 31, 2012 17:52

OOps.

XP SP3.

IanSav · Post by **IanSav** » Mon Dec 31, 2012 19:26

Hi Scaredy Cat,

What are the network settings on your PC and Beyonwiz?

Regards,
Ian.

scaredy cat · Post by **scaredy cat** » Tue Jan 01, 2013 06:48

Ian,

Not that I want to be difficult, but that is a somewhat open question.

Network settings?

Ok, what I can work out you want:
TCP/IP properties:
General:
Use the following IP address 192.168.0.1
Subnet mask; 255.255.255.0

Shares:
Share this folder on the network (name entered)
Allow users to change my files.

Somewhere I have the "simple file share" box ticked.

Beyonwiz:
Settings:LAN
DCHP disabled
IP address: 192.168.0.6

WizPNP:
Client: Enabled
Server Enabled
Name (entered)
Port 49152

Windows sharing:
default username (blank)
Default password (blank)
Default workgroup (entered)

netmask · Post by **netmask** » Tue Jan 01, 2013 09:57

Any reason why DCHP disabled ?

prl · Post by **prl** » Tue Jan 01, 2013 10:43

netmask wrote:Any reason why DCHP disabled ?

And is there any other device on the network that's been assigned 192.168.0.6 (perhaps by DHCP)?

Do you use DHCP to set network addresses on other devices on the network?

Are the devices on the network connected to a router? If so, the router IP address is often 192.168.0.1 (for the 192.168.0.0 network), and the PC should have some other IP address.

What are the subnet mask, gateway and DNS server set to on the Beyonwiz?

Can you describe your network hardware setup and how it physically connects together?

Have you tried Clear All PC, then Scan in the Network section of the FilePlayer on the Beyonwiz?

Does WizPnP work in your setup?

scaredy cat · Post by **scaredy cat** » Tue Jan 01, 2013 11:25

DHCP is "disabled" because a) I don't really know what it is.
b) If it is needed, why is it an option to disable it?

I don't know if there are any other device assigned that address.

All my devices are FIXED IP addresses.
I told them their address.

To keep things simple for now, there are only:
The modem/router to the inter-web, my computer, the DP-P2 and a gigabit switch.
The modem is not always "available - as I disconnect it (unplug the RJ 45 cable) when I am not wanting to be online.

The other devices are off for the sake of keeping things as simple as possible.

The DNS server IP address is 192.168.0.1 (That is no longer correct as my router is now I believe the "DNS".... and is 192.168.0.254)
Secondary is blank.

Subnet mask is 255.255.255.0

Although the modem has 4 Cat 5 ports, I use 2.
1 is used if I am too lazy to power up the PC etc etc etc. The laptop goes in there and I just surf.
2 goes into the switch and everything is connected to that.
PC, NAS, PD-P2 and another PVR. And a spare lead for the laptop.

prl · Post by **prl** » Tue Jan 01, 2013 11:58

scaredy cat wrote:DHCP is "disabled" because a) I don't really know what it is.
b) If it is needed, why is it an option to disable it?

DHCP is the Dynamic Host Configuration Protocol, which allows a device on the network (often the router) to automatically configure the basic Internet settings (IP address, Gateway address, DNS server address, Netmask) on other devices on the local network. Its intention is to make IP setup on local networks simpler.

It's not essential, but if you don't use it, you have to assign all the IP settings manually, as you appear to have done. Some people, like you, like to configure their networks by hand (or don't realise that DHCP can do it for you), and so it's possible to disable DHCP on some devices, and also to tell DHCP to only use a limited range of addresses on the local network for automatic assignment, so that you can have a network setup where some devices have automatically assigned IP addresses, and some have fixed IP addresses.

scaredy cat wrote:I don't know if there are any other device assigned that address.

All my devices are FIXED IP addresses.
I told them their address.

This seems to be self-contradictory. If you assigned all the fixed IP addresses yourself, you should know whether one has been used on two different devices, or at least be able to check whether it has been.

scaredy cat wrote:...
The DNS server IP address is 192.168.0.1 (That is no longer correct as my router is now I believe the "DNS".... and is 192.168.0.254)
Secondary is blank.

Subnet mask is 255.255.255.0

Having the DNS set up incorrectly should not affect the Beyonwiz's ability to find network shares or WizPnP servers on your network. It could affect the Beyonwiz's ability to access Internet services like WizTV and IceTV.

scaredy cat wrote:Although the modem has 4 Cat 5 ports, I use 2.
1 is used if I am too lazy to power up the PC etc etc etc. The laptop goes in there and I just surf.
2 goes into the switch and everything is connected to that.
PC, NAS, PD-P2 and another PVR. And a spare lead for the laptop.

I'm not sure what you mean by your 1) point. The PC should have no role in whether the other devices can communicate with each other (e.g. if the Beyonwiz wants to access shares on the NAS, the PC needn't be on). Of course, the PC must be on for the Beyonwiz to see any shares on the PC.

And:

prl wrote:Have you tried Clear All PC, then Scan in the Network section of the FilePlayer on the Beyonwiz?

Does WizPnP work in your setup?

scaredy cat · Post by **scaredy cat** » Tue Jan 01, 2013 12:23

The modem/router has 4 output ports.....

Of the 4, one of them has a "fly lead" which I plug in my laptop so I simply connect it to my laptop and "voila" I am on the net.

2 - the cable goes from the modem/router to a switch (24 port - don't ask) into which I have the computer (Desktop with terrabytes of storage) and the shares.
The DP-P2 is also plugged into.

Point 1 allows me to quickly and simply surf on my laptop.
Point 2 means I have to boot the desktop, turn on the switch and surfing takes longer to set up.

Also I un-plug the cable from the modem to the switch if I am not waiting to be connected to the net.

scaredy cat · Post by **scaredy cat** » Tue Jan 01, 2013 12:35

Oh, if I run one of those programs on the PC, I can see all the files on the DP-P2.
(WixFX)

So there are comms between them one way. Just not the other.

IanSav · Post by **IanSav** » Tue Jan 01, 2013 18:54

Hi Scaredy Cat,

You said that the username and password settings on the Beyonwiz are blank. Please enter and use a username and password that are available on the PC and have access to the files you are sharing on that PC.

Regards,
Ian.

scaredy cat · Post by **scaredy cat** » Wed Jan 02, 2013 06:04

Ian,

Which username and password?

Did you mean "Guest" and leave the password blank?

It is just I am confusd that I didn't read/understand that I had to set up an "account" on the PC for the BW to access it.

Other PCs on the network don't have usernames/accounts on that PC to access its shares.

Jiml · Post by **Jiml** » Wed Jan 02, 2013 08:21

Try this...
Mouse right click on the PC folder you already have set up to share.
Go to the "security" tab.
Add "everyone" with permission to read and execute.
Then click on apply.

prl · Post by **prl** » Wed Jan 02, 2013 11:05

scaredy cat wrote:Oh, if I run one of those programs on the PC, I can see all the files on the DP-P2.
(WixFX)

So there are comms between them one way. Just not the other.

The conclusion does not follow. Windows sharing and WizPnP use different protocols, so one working and one not working doesn't really give much indication that there is a problem in one direction or another.

What this does show, though, is that the problem is probably not to do with your general local network setup, but rather that the problem is to do with the Windows Sharing setup either on the PC or on the Beyonwiz, or perhaps both.

Which is at least some sort of progress.

scaredy cat · Post by **scaredy cat** » Wed Jan 02, 2013 14:01

Jiml wrote:Try this...
Mouse right click on the PC folder you already have set up to share.
Go to the "security" tab.
Add "everyone" with permission to read and execute.
Then click on apply.

I'm still at work.

I don't remember seeing a "security" tab.

Shall check when I get home.

scaredy cat · Post by **scaredy cat** » Wed Jan 02, 2013 15:07

Ok, "progress"

Anyone mind helping me find the security tab?
(bugger! Can't work out how to attach images!)

All I have are:
General, sharing and customise.

No security.
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scaredy cat · Post by **scaredy cat** » Wed Jan 02, 2013 15:16

By the way, what happens if I am not in a "DOMAIN" but rather in a "work group"?

prl · Post by **prl** » Wed Jan 02, 2013 15:33

scaredy cat wrote:... Can't work out how to attach images! ...

Unfortunately, you can't, or at least not directly. You need to store the image somewhere where it has a URL (some free storage servers allow for this), and then put the URL inside the img tags: [ img ]http://some.storage.provider/path/of/my/image[ /img ] (but without the spaces inside the square brackets.

Gully · Post by **Gully** » Wed Jan 02, 2013 15:34

scaredy cat wrote:Ok, "progress"

Anyone mind helping me find the security tab?
(bugger! Can't work out how to attach images!)

Turn off simple sharing to get the security tab.

Graphics need to be hosted somewhere to include them.

scaredy cat · Post by **scaredy cat** » Wed Jan 02, 2013 15:36

Gully wrote:
scaredy cat wrote:Ok, "progress"

Anyone mind helping me find the security tab?
(bugger! Can't work out how to attach images!)
Turn off simple sharing to get the security tab.

Graphics need to be hosted somewhere to include them.

I was reading it as TURN ON SIMPLE FILE SHARING to get the tab.

Sheesh!

Ok, shall try.

Well that's done.
"Everyone" has read& execute permission, list folder contents and read.

Still can't see directory from DP-P2

scaredy cat · Post by **scaredy cat** » Wed Jan 02, 2013 15:49

Even went in and set GUEST for the user name (blank password) and still can't see the PC.

Though do I have to turn it off and on again?

I may try that ITMT.

Na.

Network server not found.

netmask · Post by **netmask** » Wed Jan 02, 2013 16:11

On my Beyonwiz P1 what I have under Windows Sharing is my PC name
ie netmask-pc
then my log on password
Default workgroup netmask-pc

I think from memory I had to establish a logon password for my PC before the BW would work. Up till that time I flew unsafely with no logon or password on my PC (only my cat to contend with in the house at the time...) Since then and 6 accounts... well that's another story..

madmax · Post by **madmax** » Wed Jan 02, 2013 22:05

You haven't mentioned if you've done the Clear All PC and Scan trick. It generally works for DHCP users, don't know about in your fixed IP situation but worth a shot.

scaredy cat · Post by **scaredy cat** » Thu Jan 03, 2013 05:17

madmax wrote:You haven't mentioned if you've done the Clear All PC and Scan trick. It generally works for DHCP users, don't know about in your fixed IP situation but worth a shot.

Max,

Ya lost me.

Others:
Ok, so there is no where for me to put the PC's "name".....

This is really confusing to me. Why is it so difficult?
(Ok, I don't think I want to really know the answer to that)

But the DP-P2 can log into/onto my NAS quite nicely. There is no account on that.

Anyway, onwards and upwards - I hope.

grampus · Post by **grampus** » Thu Jan 03, 2013 05:58

scaredy cat wrote:
madmax wrote:You haven't mentioned if you've done the Clear All PC and Scan trick. It generally works for DHCP users, don't know about in your fixed IP situation but worth a shot.
Max,

Ya lost me.

Go to file player>network
You'll see red, yellow green button
Hit the yellow, then the red. You have a netmask of 255.255.255.0, so the Scan will go to 49%. that is normal.

scaredy cat · Post by **scaredy cat** » Thu Jan 03, 2013 06:16

Ok, shall try when I get home.

Thanks.

prl · Post by **prl** » Thu Jan 03, 2013 11:21

I suggested this (with instructions) way up-thread.

scaredy cat · Post by **scaredy cat** » Thu Jan 03, 2013 12:20

PRL,

Sorry dude.

Information overload.

scaredy cat · Post by **scaredy cat** » Thu Jan 03, 2013 16:27

Ok, I am ready for the egging.

Someone - dunno who - changed the PC's address from 192.168.0.0 to .1!

All working now.

Even with simple file sharing.

Thanks guys.

Sorry about that. Sometimes it happens though.

Brain failure is not easily predicted.

prl · Post by **prl** » Thu Jan 03, 2013 18:07

scaredy cat wrote:...
Someone - dunno who - changed the PC's address from 192.168.0.0 to .1!
....

Possibly the system did when you set it and you didn't notice it. Zero is not a legal host part of an IP address. The host part of the address is the final (rightmost) number in the IP address quad if the netmask is 255.255.255.0*.

A zero host address essentially means "unspecified". In the host part of the address, the values 0 and 255 are reserved, and can't be used as the host address for an actual network device. So for your network, feel free to configure devices to use any addresses between 192.168.0.1 to 192.168.0.254. Don't use 192.168.0.0 or 192.168.0.255 or assign the same address to more than one device.

I would recommend your switching over to use DHCP to configure your network, but there are also some problems involved in doing that, though they're normally easy to work around.

I'm still not sure what exactly has happened, and I don't have XP available to see what happens if you try to set the host address part of a PC's IP address to 0. This is also partly because the description of what you've actually done is pretty skimpy.

* More precisely, the 1 bits in the netmask say that the corresponding bits in the IP address are part of the network address, and the 0 bits in the netmask say that the corresponding bits in the IP address are part of the host address.