New Firmware for all T-Series Models (T2/T3/T4) 10/03/2017

[Wiz HQ]

New Software Upgrade Now Available - T2 / T3 / T4

v16.1 is a Major Upgrade and can only be upgraded via USB. You cannot restore your old settings from previous versions or it will cause problems, after you have upgraded and reboot for the first time you may be asked if you want to restore from backup, you must select “NO”. All your recorded content will be fine, you will just have to go through the setup wizard and rescan your channels and setup your timers again.

Download the Upgrade files here, please make sure you choose the correct model number:
T2 - http://feeds.beyonwiz.org/beyonwiz-16.1 ... 10_usb.zip
T3 - http://feeds.beyonwiz.org/beyonwiz-16.1 ... 10_usb.zip
T4 - http://feeds.beyonwiz.org/beyonwiz-16.1 ... 10_usb.zip

Changlog:
Big thanks goes out to our public open source contributors and to our forum members on the Beta Feeds
FIXES
* #11: Skip the network configuration screen in setup wizard
* #137: MKV playback leads to oom-killer
* #150: "Setup complete" and other message problems in setup wizard
* #168: First navigation in Graphical EPG leaves wrong fill in event
* #187: Parental Control inappropriate for Australian use
* #231: The GUI does not honour itemHeight specifications in menus
* #241: Exiting from unchanged AutoTimer screens gives a "Really close...?" message
* #249: Time/Date Input in EPG does not always jump to specified time or date
* #256: Duplicate timers/recordings from autotimers
* #269: Current show is not highlighted in the EPG
* #295: Backup settings does not save Weather plugin settings
* #311: Using MENU>TV/Radio while playing recording places UI in inconsistent state
* #320: REC, "Timeshift save recording (stop after current event)" doesn't always save timeshift on zap
* #335: Removing WiFi dongle while in screen under Network Adapter Selection causes crash on screen exit
* #336: In several EPG styles "Sort EPG list" (long RED Button) does nothing
* #338: "Jump first press" in Channel selection doesn't allow SMS-style character entry
* #344: Strange timers created from MENU>TV/Radio>Timers while watching a recording
* #361: Zombie resume points and other issues with the file resume cache. Fixed as a side-effect of fixes to #537 & #538.
* #402: T2/T4 TCP Coalescing Issues with VLC and Samba under Windows
* #413: "play as picture in picture" crashes in channel list menu
* #414: [MovieSelectionSlim] "Slim" Movie Player screen a bit of a mess
* #431: Incorrect am/pm indicators for times 12:00pm-12:59pm in Graphical EPG
* #459: Editing hostname not clean
* #462: T4 HDMI-IN Fullscreen video is blank without FTA signal on boot
* #466: IMDb spelling and grammar correction
* #469: HELP button inactive in EPGSearch
* #480: Zap timer fails to change channel when in media player
* #481: Zap timer over-ridden on exit from media browser
* #494 & #495: Timeshift saved recordings now work properly when entering standby
* #497: [MovieSelection] Newly selected sort not correctly displayed in "Sort" button
* #500: [EPGSearch] Hang on selection when Enable multiple bouquets is disabled
* #501: EPGSearch can unnecessarily change the selected bouquet
* #502: Some sort changes don't work in media browser
* #507: Font and number of rows changes not applied immediately in some EPG styles
* #510: Auto standby timers can back up when not in live TV
* #512, #515, #522 & #528: Various small IceTV problems relating to locally created timers and icon display
* #513: Incorrect BLUE button text in Location selector screen
* #523: [TimerEntry] Crash when "repeat/user defined" has no days set
* #525: When creating a recording from the current event in [Channel Selection] the event title is now immediately highlighted as "recording".
* #526: Editing "next" instant timer from within [ChannelSelection] was not handled correctly and could cause a timer to fail
* #527: AC3 audio in live TV and media files is now properly detected and displayed in the Infobar and the AUDIO popup screen.
* #529: Prevent unsupported media file playback
* #530: The "Stop service on return to movie list" setting has been removed, as it didn't work as described and was causing other problems when enabled.
* #531: WEB button is now working from Live TV
* #532: [skin] Fill anomalies in MoviePlayer Infobar
* #533: [PiPSetup] Skin text box too small, and text missing some information
* #534: Enabling parental control prevents access to .xxx directories
* #535: [ParentalControlSetup] Entering correct PIN gives error popup for non-error message
* #537, #538: Excessive delays when stopping playback of media files is fixed by enhancing the way that playback positions are saved, deleted and checked.
* #540: Fixed the IceTV crash on entering incorrect login credentials
* #542, #545, #546, #543: Cleanup of images in skin selection screens for aspect ratio and background fill colours
* #544: Changing the Software Management plugin settings can no longer leave Software Management plugin inaccessible
* #548: [ParentalControl] Restriction on Parental Rating uses non-Australian terminology
* #550: [easy-skin-aus-hd skin] Not enough space for some AutoTimer edit settings
* #552: Crash when cancelling "Restore backup" during recording
* #553: Timeshift buffer doesn't start after channel change from EPG called from MoviePlayer
* #554: Channel change from EPG called from MoviePlayer plays live TV in the MoviePlayer
* #557: Pressing "7" in the Infobar graphical or text multi EPG causes a crash.
* #558: Odd scrolling in RollerCharLCD and RollerCharLCDLong
* #559: Creating recording from EPG leaves selection highlight on wrong event
* #560: FF recording will cause a 10s skip
* #561: Channel preview in EPG called from MoviePlayer plays live TV in the MoviePlayer
* #562: Timeshift control malfunctions after exit from MoviePlayer
* #564: [MovieSelection] "Default sort order" hotbutton doesn't work
* #565: [MovieSelection] Show extended description doesn't switch off cleanly
* #567: T2 has Front panel settings setup screen but it has no front panel screen
* #568: PiP-related settings shown on systems with no PiP
* #569: Incorrect Exit from Multi-EPG when called during recording playback with preview disabled
* #570: Error zapping in the EPG while during recording playback with preview mode disabled
* #571: Zap to Live TV from Multi-EPG evoked from Media Player plays Live TV in Media Player on Exit
* #573: Crash in About when exited too quickly
* EPGRefresh plugin can now be configured for "Fake recording" EPG refreshes.
* First press of RED All in the channel list (FAV from live TV) now works correctly
* Fixed [RemoteIPTVClient] plugin crash when saving settings
* HEVC/h.265 encoded media files no longer cause a freeze requiring a system reboot. HEVC files will now play as audio only with a black screen (T2/3/4 hardware is incapable of decoding HEVC video).
* Playback of some .mp4 media files will no longer start at 5-10 seconds into the media file.
* Playing recordings from a T2/4 SMB/CIFS/Windows share from a Windows PC using VLC 2.x no longer fails.
* Remove User Interface Positioner test pattern on exit or cancel
* Restore Infobar EPG Text mode display
* When resuming playback of a paused h.264 encoded media file, playback will now resume at the correct file position.
* Workaround for missing last character on Beyonwiz T3 VFD
* [ChannelSelection] Fix crash when trying to show PiP using BLUE button
* [EpgList] Remove redundant onHide() function
* [IceTV] Fix broken VKeyIcon implementation Commit d4c9ac4 blindly changed the code to follow a pattern used in other parts of the code base but it is unlikely that it was tested. As a result, the blue icon for the keyboard button was always missing.
* [InforBar] Add missing self when calling showTV
* [NimManager] Fix issues with multi type tuners
* [Recording] Ensure that the test for directory locations matches the expected values
* [Timeshift] Disable "Timeshift not possible" messagebox
* [UsageConfig.py] Decrease granularity of ChannelSelection column width
* [config] Fix crash when all characters in ConfigNumber field are deleted
* [servicedvb] Return early if remote fallback receiver feature is disabled

ENHANCEMENTS
* #326: Add optional warning popup when moving recordings/files to trash in Movie Player
* #337: Help and implementation of "Skip forward/back (enter time)" confusing
* #428: Upgrade avahi to 0.6.32 or better when it's released. Fixed as side-effect of upstream merge.
* #453: Show program end time in [GraphicalEPGPIG]
* #486: Clarify log IceTV message when IceTV server can't be reached
* #498, #499: Add size & duration columns to media browser & the ability to sort on them
* #503: New option to restrict event searches
* #504: Unnecessarily wide field widths for date/time fields in single-channel EPG
* #505: Enabled TIMER button while in media playback
* #549: [IceTV] Setting up a new T series always sets the IceTV device type to "Beyonwiz T3"
* Ability to enable or disable the timeshift warning when playing back network stream services (use the [RemoteIPTVClient] plugin to stream live TV from another T series box!)
* Ability to ignore the physical tuner limit when resolving timer conflicts (can be used with caution by advanced users in conjunction with network streaming services)
* Add ability to change root password
* Add graphical switch icon option for Boolean settings
* Advertisement of network services (such as SSH and FTP) to other devices on the network has been improved (updated AVAHI).
* Default to clearing services when scanning channels
* Enhance UserInterfacePosition UI and Wizard
* Full time format configurability on screen and on front panel.
* Make USB update recommendation more prominent
* More options to customise the text alignment and line wrapping of text within the EPG
* New version of GStreamer media framework
* Numerous improvements to OpenWebif.
* SMB/CIFS (Windows networking) enhancements to improve security (root directory requires a username "beyonwiz" and password "beyonwiz" now ) and improve network browsing visibility
* Scrolling behaviour of the OpenWebIf Multi-EPG has been improved on some browsers.
* The "Event Search" (YELLOW button) feature can now be restricted to "All services", "Current bouquet", or "Current service". (press YELLOW->MENU->Setup).
* The configuration MENU in the Channel List (Favourites) has been improved, and some bouquet editing options have been cleaned up for better operation.
* Timeshift will now resume immediately after playback of a recording ends rather than when exiting the Media Player (if configured to show LiveTV in the background of the Media Player)
* [IceTV] Allow more frequent updates if the user needs it
* [IceTV] Do not change user settings when enabling/disabling IceTV There is no sense in changing user settings that are not core to the IceTV functionality. So, don't do it.
* [IceTV] Remove EPG provider selection screen
* [IceTV] Version bump
* [MovieSelection] Make adaptive/fuzzy dates optional
* [SoftwareManager] Ask whether to overwrite modified config file
* [SoftwareUpdate] Improve suggestion wording for failed updates
* [defaults] Remove OSD overscan settings
* [defaults] Remove redundant tuner settings
* [setup.xml] Use more descriptive title for plugin browser setup section
* exFAT formatted USB devices can now be read and written to (need to manually install the exFAT driver plugin first)

FIXES/ENHANCEMENTS FOR DEVELOPERS
* #142: Use skin relative paths for all XML skin definitions
* #417: Move hard coded menu / list structures into the skin
* #467: Use "conditional" skin element attribute to reduce log clutter for button hints
* #574: [Converter.StringList] Dead code
* #575: [Sources.List] Multiple variables used incorrectly for "selection enabled" state
* #576: [Sources.List] pageUp() and pageDown() don't page up and down
* #577: [AboutBase] Remove use of native key bindings
* Change parse logic to better protect legacy skins
* Enhance Components ServiceScan
* Enhance EventName and genre API
* Enhance ServiceScan. Standardises the punctuation in the text messages and correct some grammar / language.
* Fix IceTV version string
* Fix VKeyIcon. Allows for the TEXT button prompt to appear in more places where the TEXT button is actually active.
* Fix a crash when viewing timer logs
* Fix bug #536: [skin] Missing fonts cause UI crash loop
* GeneralSetup] Make RemoteControlCode plugin optional
* Improve EPG navigation
* Prevent ButtonSetup interfering with power button handling
* Update BitBake recipe MAINTAINER and remove duplicate code
* [EPGList] Indicate that a seemingly unused variable does serve a purpose
* [EgpList] Enhance various EPG displays
* [EpgList.py] Unify the various EPG display font sizes
* [EpgList] Fix typo in rectangle height
* [EpgList] Remove translation from formatted date string
* [EventName] Add "RatingIcon" to EventName converter arguments
* [IceTV] Remove unused imports and extraneous whitespace
* [InfoBar] Remove unused no_plugin variable
* [Ipkg] Add debug output to assist with troubleshooting failed updates
* [LocationBox.py] Fix input argument "windowTitle" being ignored
* [MovieList.py] Allow the MovieList font to be selected via the skin
* [ScanSetup] Reduce debug noise
* [SkinSelector.py] Adjust for picload fixes
* [StbHardware] Add module name to all log messages
* [Timeshift.py] Correct config variable.
* [epgcache] Publish saveEventToFile() to Python
* [servicewebts] Remove deprecated iServiceInformation::sFileSize
* [skin.py] Allow parameters to use float and int

[diesel]

Wowsers - that's an impressive list of bug fixes and enhancements!

Great work to all involved.

[wazh]

Great work guys. I will give it a run tonight!

[peteru]

There are a few more thousand changes that haven't been documented. I worked on this release for about a year. In terms of underlying changes, it's about as big as going from WinXP to Win7 - same but different. Not quite as drastic as going to Win10.

[unilaw]

My concern is that the last time I tried the beta version is that I could not access my skins from my Overlay HD and the default skin was the only option. Has this been addressed in the new firmware.

[MrQuade]

My concern is that the last time I tried the beta version is that I could not access my skins from my Overlay HD and the default skin was the only option. Has this been addressed in the new firmware.

Better to post that question to the OverlayHD thread if it relates specifically to that.

However, IanSav has been extremely diligent in ensuring there are no issues with the skin and the 16.1 firmware, so I would be surprised if there are any issues at all.

[jonpanoff]

Hi,
I have an issue with my T3. The device never displays the correct disc space left. I could have 300GB left, do a few recordings and then it fails to record. It has done this twice when I was on holidays. Then, when I come home and delete just one recording it will show 100GB+ remaining even though the recording was say 5GB. Will the new firmware fix this issue? If not, has anyone else experienced this problem and what was the fix? I am using a 3TB drive if that helps. I have been living with this issue for many months since I got under 1TB left..

[jonpanoff]

I can't get the upgrade to initiate on the T3 . I get the message to push the up arrow and nothing happens when I push on the front panel or the remote. It just defaults to booting after about 10 seconds...

[jonpanoff]

Update. Tried a different USB stick and it works now..

[juergen]

I have a T4 and upgraded the firmware last night.The upgrade process went well.

After restarting, I was asked if I wanted to restore my configuration or setup again (not the exact words) so I opted to restore my configuration. This may have affected what I found since:

- Current timers had been replaced with some from 2015 (I am using IceTV, which may or may not be a factor)
- Not all channels were the same as before - some were missing so I had to re-scan
- A couple of channels are now missing their "friendly name"

Congratulations on what appears to be a lot of work behind the upgrade.

[jonpanoff]

Step 8 says NOT to restore settings. I had to redo my timers but everything seems to be working ok

[IanL-S]

Step 4 says there should be no USB devices attahed. Does this inclue the USB Tuner for the T2 (and presumably T3)?

[juergen]

Step 8 says NOT to restore settings. I had to redo my timers but everything seems to be working ok

Doh - my fault

[craigh]

I note the step for upgrade to not do a restore and set up from scratch.

Clean build it will be.

However is the auto timer format consistent between builds so i can copy over my auto timers ?

[Grumpy_Geoff]

...
However is the auto timer format consistent between builds so i can copy over my auto timers ?

Yep, see http://www.beyonwiz.com.au/forum/viewto ... 80#p144365

[MrQuade]

Step 4 says there should be no USB devices attahed. Does this inclue the USB Tuner for the T2 (and presumably T3)?

That includes the USB tuners.

The upgrade can work with the USB tuners plugged in, but has been known to not work in certain circumstances. To be sure, it advises you to unplug them.

[harold]

Wow - impressive amount of work done.

Well done all.

I have a minor visual change / bug.

When viewing the EPG, i'm missing a bit of the screen width. See attached.

I have changed no settings since the update and did not restore settings?

Thoughts?

[MrQuade]

When viewing the EPG, i'm missing a bit of the screen width. See attached.

I have changed no settings since the update and did not restore settings?

You TV is set to overscan by default.

You should open the settings in your TV and disable "overscan" or make sure the "aspect ratio" is set to "per-pixel" or "dot by dot" or whatever your TV calls the setting (it varies).

If your TV lacks that setting, then you need to go into the T4 settings and change the GUI size in MENU->Setup->AV setup->OSD position.

The old 4.4 firmware automatically compensated for TVs that enabled overscanning. The 16.1 firmware has changed this, since ideally, no TVs these days should be using overscanning.

[tb123]

Quick question, I currently use IceTV. When I setup the T4 originally I had already setup a T4 in IceTV, setting up Ice in the T4 created a duplicate T4 on the Ice web page. Is there a "correct" way to go about setting up Ice again on the T4 to stop duplicates or is there a tie to a device ID somewhere that will keep things in order? Maybe it will be obvious when I try, but just trying to get my head around it now.

cheers

[MrQuade]

Quick question, I currently use IceTV. When I setup the T4 originally I had already setup a T4 in IceTV, setting up Ice in the T4 created a duplicate T4 on the Ice web page. Is there a "correct" way to go about setting up Ice again on the T4 to stop duplicates or is there a tie to a device ID somewhere that will keep things in order? Maybe it will be obvious when I try, but just trying to get my head around it now.

No. Ice TV creates a T4 profile based on the hardware fingerprint of your physical T4 (using MAC address I think).
When you upgrade and re-connect to IceTV, your T4 will use the same account profile that it registered last time.

Just remember to resend your timers to the T4 after the upgrade so that IceTV knows that the T4 doesn't already have the timers.

[tb123]

Quick question, I currently use IceTV. When I setup the T4 originally I had already setup a T4 in IceTV, setting up Ice in the T4 created a duplicate T4 on the Ice web page. Is there a "correct" way to go about setting up Ice again on the T4 to stop duplicates or is there a tie to a device ID somewhere that will keep things in order? Maybe it will be obvious when I try, but just trying to get my head around it now.

No. Ice TV creates a T4 profile based on the hardware fingerprint of your physical T4 (using MAC address I think).
When you upgrade and re-connect to IceTV, your T4 will use the same account profile that it registered last time.

Just remember to resend your timers to the T4 after the upgrade so that IceTV knows that the T4 doesn't already have the timers.

Thanks - I was hoping that would be the case

[itstonyb]

Hi
I have tried the instructions below exactly, however my T4 will not recognise the USB stick and just boots up normally after switching on from the rear power switch.
I have tried front and rear USB slots, FAT32 and EXFAT formats, USB 2 and USB 3 sticks.
The download folder named "beyonzwiz" has been unzipped correctly in the root directly of the USB stick

Any suggestions?

[MrQuade]

I have tried front and rear USB slots, FAT32 and EXFAT formats, USB 2 and USB 3 sticks.
The download folder named "beyonzwiz" has been unzipped correctly in the root directly of the USB stick

Any suggestions?

The stick must be FAT32, and not exFAT.

Some USB2 sticks and almost all USB3 sticks will not work for a firmware update, so you need to find another stick. The USB stick must be USB1.1 compatible, and not all are unfortunately.

Find the cheapest and nastiest USB stick you own and try that instead.

[prl]

...
No. Ice TV creates a T4 profile based on the hardware fingerprint of your physical T4 (using MAC address I think)....

Yes, the key is based on the MAC address.

[harold]

When viewing the EPG, i'm missing a bit of the screen width. See attached.

I have changed no settings since the update and did not restore settings?

You TV is set to overscan by default.

You should open the settings in your TV and disable "overscan" or make sure the "aspect ratio" is set to "per-pixel" or "dot by dot" or whatever your TV calls the setting (it varies).

If your TV lacks that setting, then you need to go into the T4 settings and change the GUI size in MENU->Setup->AV setup->OSD position.

The old 4.4 firmware automatically compensated for TVs that enabled overscanning. The 16.1 firmware has changed this, since ideally, no TVs these days should be using overscanning.

Thank you again MrQuade

[Crucible]

There have been a few reports of normal booting after inserting a USB drive. I had the same problem with several USB drives. The current update is too large for the USB drive supplied with the T4 for upgrading (only just! 128MB drive, 132MB update).

I tried several 4GB and 8GB drives, all of which failed, either prompting for ^ but then booting normally, or just booting normally.

I eventually found an old 1GB drive, formatted it, and (under advice from Jai at Beyonwiz), I renamed the file \beyonwiz\hdp\noforce to \beyonwiz\hdp\force. This skips the prompt and charges straight into the update. I also ignored the instruction to store the zip file on the USB drive.

The upgrade worked.

Now all I have to figure out is how to make Samba share the Recordings folder, not just Movie and root. I'm sure I can do it by hacking the samba conf file, but I thought there was a way to do it from the GUI interface.

[MrQuade]

Now all I have to figure out is how to make Samba share the Recordings folder, not just Movie and root. I'm sure I can do it by hacking the samba conf file, but I thought there was a way to do it from the GUI interface.

Editing the file directly is the only way, there is no GUI interface to seeing up the Samba shares.

[IanL-S]

I had problems with doing the upgrade on the TV to which I usually have T2 attached, so I attached them to another TV via composite cable and was able to do the upgrade and customise the settings. Managed to get the IceTV configured corretly.

However, I do not seem to be getting output on the HDMI port on either of the T2s. Get "no signal" from my LG TV (input is via an HDMI switch). It works pefectly if I attach via composite cable.

Any suggestions on how resurrect HDMI output?

Ian

[MrQuade]

input is via an HDMI switch). It works pefectly if I attach via composite cable.

Any suggestions on how resurrect HDMI output?

Have you tried connecting directly to the TV and bypassing the HDMI switch as a test?

[IanSav]

Hi Unilaw,

My concern is that the last time I tried the beta version is that I could not access my skins from my Overlay HD and the default skin was the only option. Has this been addressed in the new firmware.

There will be a new version of OverlayHD to match all the new features in the new firmware. It is mostly complete but all the beta testers have not yet reported in.

Regards,
Ian.

[IanSav]

Hi All,

Just a note for future upgrades...

It would be helpful if the upgrade process can provide the information and/or a tool to update or remove setting values that cause a problem in recovering the user's settings after an upgrade. If the conflicting settings can be addressed then the whole upgrade experience could be simplified and improved for all. It would mean that users don't have to start from a clean base firmware.

While I haven't followed the situation for the 16.1 upgrade I understand that just a few FTP and SAMBA settings are the reason why the settings can't be restored. These settings could have been adjusted to allow the rest of the user's settings to be restored.

Regards,
Ian.

[gibster]

I updated both my T4 and T2 today to the 10/03/2017 firmware. I've now got an issue where both T series can't see each other. I've tried doing a reboot on both of them. I've had this type of issue before but a reboot on both boxes usually fixed the problem. I've been running the latest firmware on the T4 and hadn't upgraded the T2 until today.

I use my T2 for watching recordings from the T4. I don't use the T2 for recording at all.

Any ideas on how to resolve this issue?

Cheers

gib

[Grumpy_Geoff]

I updated both my T4 and T2 today to the 10/03/2017 firmware. I've now got an issue where both T series can't see each other.
...

Is Samba running on both?
Can you get to both of them from Windows?
Do both boxes pass their network tests (MENU -> Setup -> Network -> Network adapter selection -> Network test)?
Have you tried a router reboot?
Did you restore settings from 4,4 (you shouldn't have)?

Sounds like something our CP-M/86 man had - http://www.beyonwiz.com.au/forum/viewto ... 19#p148362. He fixed it with a (Billion) router setting.

[jazza]

...
However is the auto timer format consistent between builds so i can copy over my auto timers ?

Yep, see http://www.beyonwiz.com.au/forum/viewto ... 80#p144365

Awesome.

[MrQuade]

While I haven't followed the situation for the 16.1 upgrade I understand that just a few FTP and SAMBA settings are the reason why the settings can't be restored. These settings could have been adjusted to allow the rest of the user's settings to be restored.

There is a single command to run to restore the settings for FTP and Samba to fix those, but I think it is far easier to ask users to set things up from scratch rather than restore and repair. Not everyone is going to be comfortable or even physically set up to be able to access telnet or SSH.

There may be other settings that munge things up, and with the sheer number of changes and merges that PeterU has put into this update, it might be nearly impossible to isolate all the hazardous settings. One other user (I forget who now) reported random media playback issues after using settings from the 4.4 series. This was not related to either Samba or FTP, so seemed a bit random. Better safe than sorry I think.

[IanSav]

Hi MrQuade,

There is a single command to run to restore the settings for FTP and Samba to fix those, but I think it is far easier to ask users to set things up from scratch rather than restore and repair. Not everyone is going to be comfortable or even physically set up to be able to access telnet or SSH.

There may be other settings that munge things up, and with the sheer number of changes and merges that PeterU has put into this update, it might be nearly impossible to isolate all the hazardous settings. One other user (I forget who now) reported random media playback issues after using settings from the 4.4 series. This was not related to either Samba or FTP, so seemed a bit random. Better safe than sorry I think.

When I upgraded to the alpha versions of 16.1 I simply removed a few appropriate lines from the "settings" file and have never looked back. Everything has been working fine since. What I did could easily have been implemented as a script or plugin for users to run to automate the clean up.

It is very easy to ask users not to restore all their settings. I am sure that the users who have to do all the work to put their machines back to the way they prefer would not agree that this is the easy solution.

Regards,
Ian.

[Star6key]

It is very easy to ask users not to restore all their settings. I am sure that the users who have to do all the work to put their machines back to the way they prefer would not agree that this is the easy solution. .

+100

At some point, the USB 1.1 compatible sticks are going to become very hard for new users to get. Is the fw going to/able to be updated so that more 'modern' sticks can be used? It's pretty ridiculous being told that you HAVE to do a usb update, and that you need to get your hands on some ancient (in electronics terms) piece of hardware.

[MrQuade]

At some point, the USB 1.1 compatible sticks are going to become very hard for new users to get. Is the fw going to/able to be updated so that more 'modern' sticks can be used? It's pretty ridiculous being told that you HAVE to do a usb update, and that you need to get your hands on some ancient (in electronics terms) piece of hardware.

USB updates are handled by the bootloader which only has a tiny amount of space available, so no room for comprehensive USB drivers or extra filesystems.

USB updates are necessary to allow for a clean-shaven update. All other less involved updates can occur via online methods.

[raymondjpg]

At some point, the USB 1.1 compatible sticks are going to become very hard for new users to get. Is the fw going to/able to be updated so that more 'modern' sticks can be used? It's pretty ridiculous being told that you HAVE to do a usb update, and that you need to get your hands on some ancient (in electronics terms) piece of hardware.

USB updates are handled by the bootloader which only has a tiny amount of space available, so no room for comprehensive USB drivers or extra filesystems.

USB updates are necessary to allow for a clean-shaven update. All other less involved updates can occur via online methods.

I think the issue is more, can the firmware updates be engineered so that they can be done at least from a USB2 stick? Are the T series USB ports USB2 compatible?

[IanL-S]

The size and rating of the USB drive does not seem to be a problem. I used a 2gig USB 2 drive. However, you have to be careful about format of the USB drive. It appears that the bootloader does not recogise exFAT drives; I reformatted to FAT 32 and all was well. Not sure if any file system other than FAT 32 will be recognised.

Ian

[MrQuade]

The size and rating of the USB drive does not seem to be a problem. I used a 2gig USB 2 drive. However, you have to be careful about format of the USB drive. It appears that the bootloader does not recogise exFAT drives; I reformatted to FAT 32 and all was well. Not sure if any file system other than FAT 32 will be recognised.

Ian

Only FAT32 and only of the stick is USB1.1 compatible. USB2 and USB3 stick's will be a lottery in terms of backward compatibility.

[MrQuade]

I think the issue is more, can the firmware updates be engineered so that they can be done at least from a USB2 stick? Are the T series USB ports USB2 compatible?

The bootloader is the only bit of hardware/code that can perform a format and clean install and that bootloader is just too small to accommodate a USB2 driver.

The hardware in the Wiz is more than capable of reading USB2/3 sticks and you can use them to play your media files using most filesystems well. The Wiz hardware is only USB2, but the drivers will support talking to USB3 sticks in USB2 mode.

The difference is that the main firmware supports much larger driver sizes.

[Rehtael]

Great work all....

Any plans to update the downloads page? Only the T2 & T3 downloads have been updated, the T4 is still 2011's

[Grumpy_Geoff]

I think the issue is more, can the firmware updates be engineered so that they can be done at least from a USB2 stick? Are the T series USB ports USB2 compatible?

The bootloader is the only bit of hardware/code that can perform a format and clean install and that bootloader is just too small to accommodate a USB2 driver.

The hardware in the Wiz is more than capable of reading USB2/3 sticks and you can use them to play your media files using most filesystems well. The Wiz hardware is only USB2, but the drivers will support talking to USB3 sticks in USB2 mode.

The difference is that the main firmware supports much larger driver sizes.

According to this post from peteru it's unlikely for the bootloader to support USB2 - http://beyonwiz.com.au/forum/viewtopic. ... 81#p127682

[raymondjpg]

The bootloader is the only bit of hardware/code that can perform a format and clean install and that bootloader is just too small to accommodate a USB2 driver.

I see now (I think!). So my question should have been can the bootloader be reengineered to accommodate a USB2 driver? I agree with the poster that decried having to source some old USB stick that might work. As you say the current situation is that "USB2 and USB3 stick's will be a lottery in terms of backward compatibility".

[MrQuade]

Any plans to update the downloads page? Only the T2 & T3 downloads have been updated, the T4 is still 2011's

That's just a typo in the description. If you hover over the link. you can see the download links to the correct filename for the 10/3/2017 firmware.

That's not to say it doesn't need fixing though!

[MrQuade]

I see now (I think!). So my question should have been can the bootloader be reengineered to accommodate a USB2 driver?

The bootloader has its own (tiny) amount of flash memory available in which to store code. As-per the post that Grumpy_Geoff linked to, the developers say that there is insufficient room in that storage space for anything more complicated.

[Grumpy_Geoff]

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Any plans to update the downloads page? Only the T2 & T3 downloads have been updated, the T4 is still 2011's

Yes Jai, you've a typo in the downloads page!
"Firmware
beyonwizt4-v16.1-20110310"
The link correctly points to "2017" http://feeds.beyonwiz.org/beyonwiz-16.1 ... 10_usb.zip

[edited to fix my own typo ]

[raymondjpg]

According to this post from peteru it's unlikely for the bootloader to support USB2 - http://beyonwiz.com.au/forum/viewtopic. ... 81#p127682

I think that answers my question. A hazard of obsolescence it seems to me. Thank you and goodnight.