Linking to a T2 from a V2

[hugson]

I have a V2 and a T2, both on the latest (final?) software.
I would like to be able to watch T2 recordings on the V2 because of the superior picture on the V2.
I created a network mount on the V2, as follows:
Autofs, cifs, T2 IP address, share: movie, Smb: default, username and password both blank
While this does work, allowing me to view and delete T2 recordings from the V2, I experience one totally unexpected and unbelievable and unacceptable side effect: when I initiate a recording on the V2, that recording is duplicated on the T2! When I remove the V2's T2 mount, the shadow duplicate recording never occurs.
Is there an alternative method of accessing the T2 from the V2?

[MrQuade]

While this does work, allowing me to view and delete T2 recordings from the V2, I experience one totally unexpected and unbelievable and unacceptable side effect: when I initiate a recording on the V2, that recording is duplicated on the T2! When I remove the V2's T2 mount, the shadow duplicate recording never occurs.
Is there an alternative method of accessing the T2 from the V2?

What do you mean by the "duplicate recording never occurs"?
When the mount is not present, there would be no way for the v2 to record on the T2...

Or do you mean the duplicate recording vanishes when you remove the mount?


Either way, what you are seeing isn't normal at all. Mounting the T2's movie share on the V2 is a normal thing to do and shouldn't result in duplicate recordings.

You aren't perhaps ticking the "use as HDD" option when creating the mount? That would possibly result in the V2 thinking the T2 is its own HDD and would point its recordings there.....but even then, it shouldn't result in duplications.

[hugson]

Thank you for providing the solution to the problem I reported.

The duplicate recording did not occur if the T2 mount was deleted from the V2.

When the mount is not present, there would be no way for the v2 to record on the T2...

Given the existence of the setting "setup/tv/recording settings/recording location (both timer and instant)", the "Use as HDD replacement" option should never have existed IMHO.

[MrQuade]

Thank you for providing the solution to the problem I reported.

Was that the "Use as HDD" setting?

Given the existence of the setting "setup/tv/recording settings/recording location (both timer and instant)", the "Use as HDD replacement" option should never have existed IMHO.

The "HDD" location is used for more than just recordings. It is the location for settings backups and other things.

[hugson]

Unfortunately I spoke too soon!
With my V2's mount of my T2's movie folder "Use as HDD" setting ON, a recording last night on my V2 was replicated on my T2, thereby causing 2 autotimer recordings on my T2 to fail because I have only 2 tuners on the T2.
Thus: autotimer recordings on the V2 do not get replicated on the T2. Recordings manually created on the V2 via the green button do get replicated on the T2. Recordings initiated with the Record button also are replicated on the T2.
I also tried disabling the T2 mount on my V2 both with and without rebooting the V2, but that didn't stop this errant behaviour.
I tried removing the T2 mount and rebooting, but still all recordings not created via autotimer are replicated.
I finally tried renaming T2's movie folder to moviet2. While this did allow the T2 to record into the renamed folder, I was unable to get the V2 to be able to see T2's moviet2 folder at all, neither with a blank user and password, nor with the correct values. Unless anyone knows how to resolve this problem I am giving up my battle with Beyonwiz' rotten software.

[hugson]

The problem was caused entirely by the name I wanted to use, which was T2!

[MrQuade]

Wait what??
Something profoundly strange is happening here.

Unfortunately I spoke too soon!
With my V2's mount of my T2's movie folder "Use as HDD" setting ON, a recording last night on my V2 was replicated on my T2, thereby causing 2 autotimer recordings on my T2 to fail because I have only 2 tuners on the T2.

Are you saying that a *timer* was created on the T2 as a duplication of a timer made on the V2?
The distinction being that the timer is the thing that triggers a recording, and the recording is the actual file itself.

Your description here implies that the T2 had to use a tuner to make the duplicate, which implies a timer was created on the T2.
And that makes no sense. There should be no way for a mount point to create a timer on a completely different Wiz.

I finally tried renaming T2's movie folder to moviet2. While this did allow the T2 to record into the renamed folder, I was unable to get the V2 to be able to see T2's moviet2 folder at all, neither with a blank user and password, nor with the correct values. Unless anyone knows how to resolve this problem I am giving up my battle with Beyonwiz' rotten software.

There should be no reason at all to rename folders, everything will work with default values.
If you want the folders to show up with nicer names in the UI, you can create shortcut aliases in the movie player.



There is a missing piece to this puzzle somewhere, because whatever it is that you are doing seems to be seriously messing up the settings on one or both of the Wiz units.

[hugson]

That's exactly what I'm saying. I messaged you privately about this.
Yes, you're quite right is stating it was the V2 timer that was replicated, and not the recording itself.

Interestingly I'm not even certain that is exactly what happens. In my many different tests, some of the unwanted T2 recordings have been of different channels. For example, I set up a manual recording on the V2 of a program on channel 2 to start at 8pm and go for 1 hour. On the T2 a program is recorded, it does start at 8pm, it does go for 1 hour, but it is not from channel 2.
Make of that what you will.

[blip]

"Use as HDD" setting ON, a recording last night on my V2 was replicated on my T2, thereby causing 2 autotimer recordings on my T2 to fail because I have only 2 tuners on the T2.autotimer are replicated. .

Shouldn't "Use as HDD" be off?

[hugson]

I just followed MrQuade's advice. But I would agree with your supposition!

[MrQuade]

I just followed MrQuade's advice. But I would agree with your supposition!

It should be off. If what I said earlier suggested that it should be on, I apologies for the confusion.

[hugson]

When that setting is on, what are its effects?

[prl]

When that setting is on, what are its effects?

The mounted network share effectively becomes the PVR's HDD, or replaces it, if it has a HDD.

But timers aren't stored on the HDD, whether it's a real HDD or a network share that's been mounted as the HDD.

But it means that if PVR A mounts PVR B's HDD as a network share and has "Use as HDD" enabled on the mount, then all recordings made on PVR A will be saved on PVR B's HDD. Exactly where they will be saved will depend on exactly how the mount was done.

It's really intended for use where you have a diskless PVR and you want to use, say, a NAS to provide storage for it.

[hugson]

Today's entertainment!
My T2 has only 2 programs in its autotimer list, both on Central Coast channels.
Today a new timer has automagically appeared, for Homeland on 9Go! Sydney, starting at 20:45 and ending at 04:55:
- Homeland actually starts at 23:42 and ends at 00:50
- I have never wanted to record anything on 9Go!
- The recording is for the Sydney channel
- Immediately before viewing the T2 today, I did create a new timer on my V2 for a program on Sbs One Hd starting at 01:36 and ending at 04:55. I mention this because the End time of both programs is the same. And the Info button yields this:
- on the V2: "Thu 29 Jun 2023 12:17 - record time changed, start prepare is now: Fri Jun 30 01:35:40 2023"
- on the T2: "Thu 29 Jun 2023 12:17 - record time changed, start prepare is now: Thu Jun 29 20:44:40 2023"

???

[hugson]

More entertainment! Today is 29-07-2923.

My T2 is currently positioned in the EPG on 7Flix Sydney.
It has 8 timers listed, all created by autotimer. The first timer is for a program due to start on 02-07-2023 at 19:15 and finish at 21:00 on 7flix (not Sydney channel).
I put the T2 in standby.

I switch to the V2, which is currently on ABCTV HD.
I open the EPG.
I move the cursor to the next program on ABC, Antiques Roadshow starting at 16:00 and ending at 16:59.
I create a timer, starting at 15:45, ending at 17:29 (padded by 15 minutes at the start and 30 minutes at the end).
I switch back to the T2, the V2 is now in standby.

The T2 still has 8 timers listed, but the timer previously listed in position 1 has been replaced by this:
Modern Family on 7Flix Sydney starting at 15:52 and ending at 17:06.

Finally, I enter the autotimer list,open up the autotimer that created the now missing timer, save it - and I now have 9 timers listed, the missing timer has been recreated.

[hugson]

And still more!
Once my timer and recording exist on the V2, a different timer and associated recording exist on the T2.
Deleting the timer from the V2 also deletes the corresponding timer from the T2. And deleting the recording from the V2 also deletes the associated recording from the T2.

[Star6key]

Gas leak?

[MrQuade]

Here is a whacky theory.

Are the two Wiz units in the same location?

If so, I suspect that the T2 is set to respond to all remote control code sets, and when you set a timer on the V2, the T2 is following the same keystrokes and setting its own timer for whatever show it happened to be pointing to on the EPG.

That's all that I can think of that might be setting timers on two STBs at once. Unless there is some weird plugin installed, or you have set up some sort of file duplication system between the two units.

[prl]

Here is a whacky theory.

Are the two Wiz units in the same location?

If so, I suspect that the T2 is set to respond to all remote control code sets, and when you set a timer on the V2, the T2 is following the same keystrokes and setting its own timer for whatever show it happened to be pointing to on the EPG.

It doesn't sound at all whacky to me.

[hugson]

MrQuade, your suggestion about remote codes sounds as it it might be the answer. Please can you advise me what each of these values, that the T2 offers me, might be my best chance of having the T2 reject the V2 codes:
- Beyonwiz T3 (0xABCD)
- Beyonwiz (0x02F2)
- Beyonwiz (0x02F3)
- Beyonwiz (0x02F4)
- Beyonwiz U4 (0xAE97)
- HDx (0x0933)

Here is the current status, which proves that the problem is nothing to do with linking the V2 to the T2:
I reinstalled firmware for both the T2 and V2, and setup both machines from scratch, leaving the T2's networking disabled. But the problem remains. My testing was to open the V2's epg and create a timer for some currently running program. In all cases except one a new timer and recording was created on the T2. Deleting the timer and/or the recording on the V2 caused the same operation on the T2. However, stopping the recording on the V2 did not stop the T2's recording. The exception to this was one timer that did not carry over from the V2. Your remote suggestion could probably account for this - perhaps the remote was in a slightly higher or lower position or something like that.

[MrQuade]

MrQuade, your suggestion about remote codes sounds as it it might be the answer. Please can you advise me what each of these values, that the T2 offers me, might be my best chance of having the T2 reject the V2 codes:

It does depend on which type of remote you are using for your T2.

But I would start by trying the 0x02F2 code set.

By default, the regular T2 remote outputs the 0x02F2 codes.
The T2 itself will respond to any of the listed codes.
The T2 remote can change the code set that it outputs. The instructions for that are in the user manual, but you shouldn't need to touch that.

The V2 remote and the V2 itself are fixed at 0xAE97 and can't be changed via regular settings.
You should avoid setting this code on the T2 so you can avoid interference.


The older T3 remote which was sometimes sold with other Wiz models uses the 0xABCD code set.
Try this if the 0x02F2 set doesn't work.


The Wiz will ask you to press a button to confirm the change, so any setting you make will automatically revert if it is wrong
And if all else fails, control the Wiz via the Web Interface if the T2 somehow becomes unresponsive to the remote.

[hugson]

This is an official announcement!
MrQuade is a genius. You have solved the problem I believe.
Somewhere in the darkest recesses of my mind is a distant memory of having tackled this issue before, so I should perhaps of cottoned on. But I didn't, while MrQuade did. Thank you.

[peteru]

Beyonwiz' rotten software.

Yeah - No!