Wifi Antenna T3 vs U4

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Wifi Antenna T3 vs U4

Post by shaydock » Tue Jul 31, 2018 11:41

Hi,

Am I able to use the prescribed U4 adapter (https://beyonwiz.com.au/products/wifi-u ... 00mbps-u4/) for my T3? Or do I have to use the prescribed T3 adapter (https://beyonwiz.com.au/products/wifi-u ... n-300mbps/)

Thank you!

Simon

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Re: Wifi Antenna T3 vs U4

Post by Grumpy_Geoff » Tue Jul 31, 2018 12:56

The Beyonwiz "WiFi USB Antenna (Wireless N 600Mbps)" adapter appears to be very similar to the EDUP EP-AC1619 USB Mini Dual Band WI-FI adapter AC600
http://www.szedup.com/product-item/wire ... 11-abgnac/
The EDUP EP-AC1619 is 802.11n: up to 150Mbps on 2.4 GHz, and 802.11ac: up to 433Mbps 5 GHz.

I doubt the Beyonwiz adapter is actually 600Mbps on 802.11n. I'm thinking more likely 150Mbps on 'N' and 433Mbps on 'AC' and therefore AC600 not N600.

What is your reasoning for looking at the "(Wireless N 600Mbps) U4" adapter? Do you have a 5GHz wireless router/access point?

If you have an MSY or similar close to you, then there are other cheaper Wireless N adapters you could grab quickly.

TP-LINK TL-WN822N USB (2T2R)
dual external antenna, 1.5m USB Cable
MSY $22

TP-LINK TL-WN823N Wireless-N300 Mini USB Adapter
MSY $19

D-Link DWA-131 Wireless-N Nano Adapter
MSY $18

TP-LINK TL-WN821N USB (2T2R)
MSY $16

EDIMAX EW-7722UTn
includes short cable
MSY $16


Some (possibly) similar AC600 adapters @ MSY -
Edimax EW-7811UTC $19 (low stock)
Edimax EW-7811UAC $25
Edimax EW-7811DAC $29
TP-LINK Archer T2U $33
D-link $42 (need Revision A1 or B1, not C1)


The USB2.0 port will likely limit the speed in any case. I don't know what the USB 2.0 throughput would be on a T3, but I'm thinking it'd struggle to get more than 150Mbps. Someone with a T3 can correct me.

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Re: Wifi Antenna T3 vs U4

Post by shaydock » Tue Jul 31, 2018 17:09

Thanks for your swift reply.

My main reasons were the speed, but also just not having to have an antenna out the back.

I was looking at other cheaper options, but they seemed to come with drivers on CD and I didn’t think that that would work with the T3, so I was hoping to get a “plug n play” option. Hope that makes sense.

Simon

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Re: Wifi Antenna T3 vs U4

Post by IanSav » Tue Jul 31, 2018 17:19

Hi Simon,

Have you considered a WiFi bridge or access point. You connect the Beyonwiz via it's network cable and you can position the bridge so it is out of sight or obtains the strongest signal. This solution is also the most efficient in terms of performance and ease of use on the Beyonwiz.

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Re: Wifi Antenna T3 vs U4

Post by Grumpy_Geoff » Tue Jul 31, 2018 17:34

shaydock wrote:
Tue Jul 31, 2018 17:09
...My main reasons were the speed, but also just not having to have an antenna out the back.

Well you'd need a wireless 'AC' access point/router for 'speed'.
I was looking at other cheaper options, but they seemed to come with drivers on CD and I didn’t think that that would work with the T3, so I was hoping to get a “plug n play” option. Hope that makes sense.
I was very careful to only list adapters that have drivers in 20180417 firmware.

If you want to follow up on IanSav's suggestion, an alternative to a USB Wi-Fi adapter is to use a wireless-to-ethernet bridge. Some bridge-mode-capable el-cheapos are -
TP-Link TL-WA801ND 802.11n 300Mbps, access point that can also operate in ethernet bridge mode ("Client Mode"), MSY $39
https://www.tp-link.com/lk/products/det ... 801ND.html
https://www.tp-link.com/lk/faq-493.html

D-Link DAP-1360 802.11n 300Mbps, access point that can also operate in ethernet bridge mode ("Wireless Client Mode"), MSY $49
https://www.dlink.com.au/home-solutions ... cess-point

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Re: Wifi Antenna T3 vs U4

Post by shaydock » Wed Aug 01, 2018 14:30

Thanks for your help guys,

I just want to confirm then, that I can use the antenna for the U4 on the T3? Didn't actually get a straight answer for this.

Thank you.

Simon

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Re: Wifi Antenna T3 vs U4

Post by peteru » Wed Aug 01, 2018 14:40

shaydock wrote:
Wed Aug 01, 2018 14:30
I just want to confirm then, that I can use the antenna for the U4 on the T3? Didn't actually get a straight answer for this.
You won't get a straight answer if you are asking a badly worded question. Antenna is almost certainly not the correct term in this context. Your best bet is to get on the telephone and ask Beyonwiz sales for advice. That way you will get an answer straight from the source. There is a difference between will it work and is it a supported configuration.

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Re: Wifi Antenna T3 vs U4

Post by Grumpy_Geoff » Wed Aug 01, 2018 15:27

shaydock wrote:
Wed Aug 01, 2018 14:30
...I just want to confirm then, that I can use the antenna for the U4 on the T3? Didn't actually get a straight answer for this.

True, but you didn't give a straight answer to do you have a 5GHz access point. If you don't, then no point venturing into the 5GHz 'AC' world.

If you're only after online updates, IceTV, sporadic recording transfers, WizOS streaming, PC streaming, then any Wi-Fi adapter I listed will suffice.
Even the shitty little Edimax EW-7722UTn dongle that only got me 150Mbps synch could stream a recording from the T4 to be viewed in PotPlayer on my PC. Real world file transfers only got me 26 Mbits/s with that dongle.

You're most certainly not going to get much 'speed' out of a dongle sans external antenna, particular a mini-sized one with an onchip antenna.

If the Beyonwiz dongle really is a clone of an EDUP EP-AC1619 (or actually is it), then it uses a Realtek RTL8811AU chip. The 20180417 firmware has the driver for that. The dongle has a USB2.0 interface. Thus it should work on a T3.
I think Paul_oz53 has that dongle, but I don't know if he's tried it on his T3 or T4. I know he only got 72Mbps with it on his U4 on the 2.4GHZ wireless-N band.

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Re: Wifi Antenna T3 vs U4

Post by Paul_oz53 » Wed Aug 01, 2018 17:08

Grumpy_Geoff wrote:
Wed Aug 01, 2018 15:27
shaydock wrote:
Wed Aug 01, 2018 14:30
...I just want to confirm then, that I can use the antenna for the U4 on the T3? Didn't actually get a straight answer for this.

True, but you didn't give a straight answer to do you have a 5GHz access point. If you don't, then no point venturing into the 5GHz 'AC' world.

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If the Beyonwiz dongle really is a clone of an EDUP EP-AC1619 (or actually is it), then it uses a Realtek RTL8811AU chip. The 20180417 firmware has the driver for that. The dongle has a USB2.0 interface. Thus it should work on a T3.
I think Paul_oz53 has that dongle, but I don't know if he's tried it on his T3 or T4. I know he only got 72Mbps with it on his U4 on the 2.4GHZ wireless-N band.

Never tried it on the T series but the EDUP EP-AC1619 gave a decent 434 Mbps on the 5 GHz band with 15 metres to the router through 4 walls. No reason it shouldn't work on a Tx though. It did give me some grief setting it up on the 5 GHz band at the time but overcame that by manually setting an IP address.
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Re: Wifi Antenna T3 vs U4

Post by Grumpy_Geoff » Wed Aug 01, 2018 17:26

Paul_oz53 wrote:
Wed Aug 01, 2018 17:08
Never tried it on the T series but the EDUP EP-AC1619 gave a decent 434 Mbps on the 5 GHz band ...

Yep, I knew it connected for you at 434 Mbps on Wireless-AC (5GHz).

For the record, is it the "WiFi USB Antenna (Wireless N 600Mbps) U4" dongle that Beyonwiz flog? You got it from Beyonwiz, right?

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Re: Wifi Antenna T3 vs U4

Post by Paul_oz53 » Wed Aug 01, 2018 18:21

Grumpy_Geoff wrote:
Wed Aug 01, 2018 17:26
Paul_oz53 wrote:
Wed Aug 01, 2018 17:08
Never tried it on the T series but the EDUP EP-AC1619 gave a decent 434 Mbps on the 5 GHz band ...

Yep, I knew it connected for you at 434 Mbps on Wireless-AC (5GHz).

For the record, is it the "WiFi USB Antenna (Wireless N 600Mbps) U4" dongle that Beyonwiz flog? You got it from Beyonwiz, right?

Indirectly. I got it from someone who got it from Beyonwiz.

Interestingly enough, EDUP says it actually does 430 Mbps on their website, despite the 600Mbps label!
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Re: Wifi Antenna T3 vs U4

Post by Grumpy_Geoff » Wed Aug 01, 2018 18:36

Paul_oz53 wrote:
Wed Aug 01, 2018 18:21
Indirectly. I got it from someone who got it from Beyonwiz.

Ta, thought it was.
Interestingly enough, EDUP says it actually does 430 Mbps on their website, despite the 600Mbps label!
Standard bollocks description style from all wireless-AC vendors. They combine the speed of the 2.4 GHz 'N' band plus the that of the 5 GHz 'AC' band.
I could have it wrong, but I don't think a device can connect to both bands using a dual-band adapter. A wireless router/access point on the other hand will have two radios so it'd have that capability, thus that type of marketing has some merit.

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