More T3 info required

gra · Post by **gra** » Fri Mar 14, 2014 17:58

where are the specs and a demo video of the GUI etc?
will it have the same functionality as the current DP series PVR's?
will it respond quicker than the the current DP series PVR's?
and play all media codecs of the current DP series PVR's plus more?
will the T3 Remote interfere with the current DP series PVR's (P1, P2)?
will IceTV be an option?
do you get short rf patch cables to connect the 3 tuners?
will there be an Android App?
more info and pics of accessories ie: Wireless Mini Keyboard with Mousepad (+$59.95) is it BlueTooth or WiFi? and does it need a USB receiver?
i see a fan in the back of the unit, lets hope it doesn't run hot and noisey

i guess Freeview has been dropped

very close to hitting "ADD TO CART"
don't make me wait

BikeMike · Post by **BikeMike** » Fri Mar 14, 2014 18:20

+1 to all of the above

Plus... can it stream recorded shows to PCs, or only stream Live TV?

zonic · Post by **zonic** » Fri Mar 14, 2014 19:13

More info, PLEASE.

User guide, at least.

peteru · Post by **peteru** » Fri Mar 14, 2014 23:56

gra wrote:will it have the same functionality as the current DP series PVR's?

Bit of an ambiguous question. What are you after specifically?
It's different. Very different. Don't expect a beefed up DP - this is a completely different box that does things differently.

will it respond quicker than the the current DP series PVR's?

Not sure what you mean. I don't find it slow, but then again, I don't find anything wrong with my DP-P2 either.

and play all media codecs of the current DP series PVR's plus more?

Probably. I haven't done an exhaustive side-by-side comparison, but it will play MKVs that the DP-P2 could not.

will the T3 Remote interfere with the current DP series PVR's (P1, P2)?

No

will IceTV be an option?

Sure. IceTV will have to add support. The T3 is open, IceTV is not, so the ball is in their court.

do you get short rf patch cables to connect the 3 tuners?

Yes.

i see a fan in the back of the unit, lets hope it doesn't run hot and noisey

Although the unit has a fan, it is very, very quiet and software controllable. The fan can be set to auto/on/off via software and I believe the speed is software controllable too. In my testing with a 3.5" SATA drive, the T3 power consumption never went above 30W. Typical usage was around the 26W mark.

i guess Freeview has been dropped

Indeed!

peteru · Post by **peteru** » Sat Mar 15, 2014 00:00

BikeMike wrote:can it stream recorded shows to PCs, or only stream Live TV?

You can stream or download recorded shows.

peteru · Post by **peteru** » Sat Mar 15, 2014 00:47

Random hardware info:

Broadcom chipset
Dual core, 400MHz MIPS
512MB RAM
512MB FLASH
10/100 Ethernet
SATA + eSATA (supports 4TB drives)
3 USB2 (2 rear, 1 front)
2 Smartcard slots
2 CI slots
3 Tuner modules (DVB-T2 / DVB-C switchable)
HDMI
SPDIF optical
Analog stereo
Component
Composite
SCART out and passthrough
RS-232 serial console

pjc3 · Post by **pjc3** » Sat Mar 15, 2014 05:05

peteru wrote:
and play all media codecs of the current DP series PVR's plus more?
Probably. I haven't done an exhaustive side-by-side comparison, but it will play MKVs that the DP-P2 could not.

Full bitrate MKV rip of a BD?

grl · Post by **grl** » Sat Mar 15, 2014 08:58

Hi Peteru,
One of the gripes with DP models was poor picture (images/photos) viewing experience. How does that look now?

snuke · Post by **snuke** » Sat Mar 15, 2014 09:59

peteru wrote:Random hardware info:

10/100 Ethernet
3 USB2 (2 rear, 1 front)

While ultimately not deal breakers, not having Gigabit or USB 3 is very disappointing for 2014.

nigelh · Post by **nigelh** » Sat Mar 15, 2014 10:07

snuke wrote:
peteru wrote:Random hardware info:

10/100 Ethernet
3 USB2 (2 rear, 1 front)
While ultimately not deal breakers, not having Gigabit or USB 3 is very disappointing for 2014.

I agree, I'm not worried about USB 3, but as I use a nas box for all my playback, not having 1 gig LAN IS a deal breaker for me, and will stick to my old one till they fix this. Will still have to use my Apple TV for higher encoded stuff.

gra · Post by **gra** » Sat Mar 15, 2014 10:27

peteru wrote:
gra wrote:will it have the same functionality as the current DP series PVR's?
Bit of an ambiguous question. What are you after specifically?
It's different. Very different. Don't expect a beefed up DP - this is a completely different box that does things differently.

my P1 has been running 24/7 since Jan 2008, and is use every viewing.
not just timeshifting FTA TV but also Media streaming on my Home Network from NAS.
I appreciate that the New T3 will be very different and has features that far exceed current DP Series
i would hope that some features that make the Wiz a great box are still there ie:
i can not survive with out Trick Mode, to be able to jump forward and back secs/minutes by left/right/up/down buttons.
what would be the point of having a Wiz without the ability to jump a break in programming. and to replay live tv QUICKLY

peteru wrote:
gra wrote:will it respond quicker than the the current DP series PVR's?
Not sure what you mean. I don't find it slow, but then again, I don't find anything wrong with my DP-P2 either.

As my P1 is used every day, when i hit a button i expect the Wiz to respond quickly and it does.
i don't want a box that responds like a Pay TV (My IQ) Box, the delay on those boxes is a disgrace.
i'm expecting Speed. I want the future and i don't want to wait for it.

peteru wrote:
gra wrote: and play all media codecs of the current DP series PVR's plus more?
Probably. I haven't done an exhaustive side-by-side comparison, but it will play MKVs that the DP-P2 could not.

if the New T3 plays all that the DP Series does plus more .... Happy Days

It's starting to look like the T3 will be the dream box i've been waiting for.
"ADD TO CART" is getting closer

Thanks peteru

Mantorok · Post by **Mantorok** » Sat Mar 15, 2014 12:25

I've got a few questions too for those that have pre-release units:

How well does it handle daylight savings changes? Do you need to manually change anything, clear the EPG and timers etc like the current models or does it automagically handle the transition?
Does the T3 have configurable pre and post padding?
What happens when you record 2 consecutive shows on the same channel with padding?
Likewise what happens when you record 2 consecutive shows on the different channels but the same MUX with padding?

Raid · Post by **Raid** » Sat Mar 15, 2014 12:32

1Gbps LAN Connections.

A few years ago the technical experts in the company where I worked, were told by a vendor that a new platform would require 10Gbps IP links to the SAN to enure throughput. Well out of frustration they setup a number of tests using the vendors hardware. You may find the results interesting:

With no other applications running on the server (From memory it was a 2 socket, 2.2G, 6 core, 12GB RAM, 2 x 500G SAS drives) could sustain 390Mbps of data throughput on a 10Gbps link. Once they loaded the application sustained throughput plummeted.

If a top line server cannot maintain 1Gbps throughput what hope has your home PC. I tend to think the 1Gbps LAN connection on a home PC is like buying a red car because it goes faster. While it would be interesting to have a 1Gbps or even a 10Gbps LAN connection, if the application and hardware aren't capable of providing the throughput, why not make the box cheaper instead?

Paul55 · Post by **Paul55** » Sat Mar 15, 2014 12:54

Can't see if this has been covered elsewhere.
Does the T3 support skipping and is it user configurable like the DP series? If not, put them back on the ship.

NoDowt · Post by **NoDowt** » Sat Mar 15, 2014 13:18

2 x 500G SAS drives - and there lies the problem... Don't know what the server usage was, but as a pure file server that is never gonna be capable of saturating a 10Gb link.

Given the built in dlna server and Live TV streaming, it's entirely possible this unit could saturate a 100Mb link provided you have a decent hard disk in it. (Especially if you were also using the T3 to play back a blurray rip stored on your NAS)

Raid · Post by **Raid** » Sat Mar 15, 2014 13:34

NoDowt wrote:2 x 500G SAS drives - and there lies the problem... Don't know what the server usage was, but as a pure file server that is never gonna be capable of saturating a 10Gb link.

The transferred data was a pattern, it lived in RAM. At the other end was an EMC SAN with bucket of cache. They did a lot of work to ensure that the vendor was embarrassed and that they couldn't find fault with the test method.

Please note it was very easy to burst a block of data at full rate, but that never lasted, their were always other things that the machine had to do.

After being presented with the report and asking the vendor to comment, the vendor replaced the project team and they became more user friendly.

IanSav · Post by **IanSav** » Sat Mar 15, 2014 13:42

Hi Snuke and Nigelh,

nigelh wrote:
snuke wrote:While ultimately not deal breakers, not having Gigabit or USB 3 is very disappointing for 2014.
I agree, I'm not worried about USB 3, but as I use a nas box for all my playback, not having 1 gig LAN IS a deal breaker for me, and will stick to my old one till they fix this. Will still have to use my Apple TV for higher encoded stuff.

What media do you own that has a bitrate higher than 100 Mbps?

In a real world with its 100 Mpbs network interface I would expect the T3 to be able to sustain a few media streams quite well.

Time will tell.

Regards,
Ian.

snuke · Post by **snuke** » Sat Mar 15, 2014 13:55

I am not concerned about streaming, for that 100Mbps is more than fine, however for copying data I find that the slowest devices in my network are the two that are not Gigabit.

NoDowt · Post by **NoDowt** » Sat Mar 15, 2014 14:01

@Raid, lol we had a similar experience with a treasury system vendor... In one sentence they say 'it's very disk IO intensive application', followed 5 minutes later saying running it on their laptop with SSD was no different than running on their server with single SAS disk.

Sorry for the OT...

IanSav · Post by **IanSav** » Sat Mar 15, 2014 14:02

Hi Snuke,

I don't think the T3 is intended to specialise as a NAS or file server but I could be wrong.

Regards,
Ian.

craigh · Post by **craigh** » Sat Mar 15, 2014 14:06

Ian

As long as it can sustain a couple of dlna clients playing back content ok and then possibly someone watching one of the tuners live on a. Laptop.

snuke · Post by **snuke** » Sat Mar 15, 2014 17:06

IanSav wrote:Hi Snuke,

I don't think the T3 is intended to specialise as a NAS or file server but I could be wrong.

Regards,
Ian.

If it can truly work as a good media player and has a 4TB drive, then you're asking to store or move a lot of data to it, and I possibly will.
Or I may simply keep the media on my Synology NAS as stream from it.
Still need to know what it can handle MKV & DTS wise.

peteru · Post by **peteru** » Sat Mar 15, 2014 23:26

gra wrote:jump forward and back secs/minutes by left/right/up/down buttons.
what would be the point of having a Wiz without the ability to jump a break in programming. and to replay live tv QUICKLY

The T3 uses a slightly different set of buttons, but you have three configurable forward/backward skip options on the numeric keys. As default, you get buttons 1/3 to jump 15 seconds backward/forward, 4/6 jumps 60 seconds and 7/9 jumps 300 seconds. You can adjust the number of seconds for each pair of backward/forward buttons.

As my P1 is used every day, when i hit a button i expect the Wiz to respond quickly and it does.
i don't want a box that responds like a Pay TV (My IQ) Box, the delay on those boxes is a disgrace.
i'm expecting Speed. I want the future and i don't want to wait for it.

I still don't know what your expectations are. I don't know what the Pay TV boxes are like, but the T3 does not feel any slower to respond then the DP-P1. The user interface is different to the DP series, so some tasks may take more button presses and some take fewer, but the time taken to respond to each button press seems acceptable to me.

peteru · Post by **peteru** » Sat Mar 15, 2014 23:39

Mantorok wrote:How well does it handle daylight savings changes? Do you need to manually change anything, clear the EPG and timers etc like the current models or does it automagically handle the transition?

I don't know. The T3 can use NTP or broadcast signal as the source of the time. It uses the standard Linux timezone database to keep track of various settings for things like daylight savings. In theory it should work just as well as any other Linux box (i.e. painless and accurate), but in the end we won't be sure as to how well it pans out until we go through at least one or two DST transitions.

Does the T3 have configurable pre and post padding?

Yes. It has default padding settings and the option to override the padding for each individual timer or a series of auto-timers.

What happens when you record 2 consecutive shows on the same channel with padding?

You'll get overlap recorded in both shows that corresponds to the padding you selected.

Likewise what happens when you record 2 consecutive shows on the different channels but the same MUX with padding?

As above.

Unlike the DP-P? series, the T3 has no issues grabbing whatever is required from each tuner to give you what you asked for.

The official/advertised limit is 8 concurrent recordings, but there does not seem to be a hardcoded limit of 8. I've had 16 streams recorded at the same time.

peteru · Post by **peteru** » Sat Mar 15, 2014 23:44

nigelh wrote:not having 1 gig LAN IS a deal breaker for me

Why?

While I agree that GigE is desirable, I don't see how it could be a deal breaker. 10/100 does not limit the box in any meaningful way.

What is there that could work with 1Gbps but can not work with 100Mbps Ethernet?

As far as I can see, 10/100 is fast enough for all practical purposes.

nigelh · Post by **nigelh** » Sun Mar 16, 2014 03:08

peteru wrote:
nigelh wrote:not having 1 gig LAN IS a deal breaker for me
Why?

While I agree that GigE is desirable, I don't see how it could be a deal breaker. 10/100 does not limit the box in any meaningful way.

What is there that could work with 1Gbps but can not work with 100Mbps Ethernet?

As far as I can see, 10/100 is fast enough for all practical purposes.

Now and then a Blueray rip, just freezes on my old Beyonwiz and I have to play it on my Apple TV, if I still have to do that, I don't see a reason to change.

1gig LAN should fix, as that is what the Apple TV has. In this day, a new unit designed with out it, seems to me to not have been thought out. What would it cost, an extra $5 chip?

The same argument goes with USB 3.0, why develop a new device with legacy features and components.

Mantorok · Post by **Mantorok** » Sun Mar 16, 2014 08:37

peteru wrote:
Mantorok wrote:How well does it handle daylight savings changes? Do you need to manually change anything, clear the EPG and timers etc like the current models or does it automagically handle the transition?
I don't know. The T3 can use NTP or broadcast signal as the source of the time. It uses the standard Linux timezone database to keep track of various settings for things like daylight savings. In theory it should work just as well as any other Linux box (i.e. painless and accurate), but in the end we won't be sure as to how well it pans out until we go through at least one or two DST transitions.

Thanks Peter. I see you are located in Sydney so there'll be an opportunity to test this in about 3 weeks time. Do you mind setting a timer a short while after DST ends to see how well the unit handles it?

peteru wrote:
Mantorok wrote:What happens when you record 2 consecutive shows on the same channel with padding?
You'll get overlap recorded in both shows that corresponds to the padding you selected.

Does it use 2 tuners to do this or just 1?

peteru wrote:
Mantorok wrote:Likewise what happens when you record 2 consecutive shows on the different channels but the same MUX with padding?
As above.

Again, 2 tuners or 1?

Regards,
Mantorok

prl · Post by **prl** » Sun Mar 16, 2014 08:40

peteru wrote:...
What happens when you record 2 consecutive shows on the same channel with padding?
You'll get overlap recorded in both shows that corresponds to the padding you selected.

Likewise what happens when you record 2 consecutive shows on the different channels but the same MUX with padding?
As above.
...

Padding on the T3 works quite differently from the DPs. It just adds time to the timers. There's no "soft" padding. It can get away with this to some extent because of the extra tuner and and the ability to do many more recordings.

Paul55 · Post by **Paul55** » Sun Mar 16, 2014 08:44

prl wrote:Padding on the T3 works quite differently from the DPs. It just adds time to the timers. There's no "soft" padding. It can get away with this to some extent because of the extra tuner and and the ability to do many more recordings.

Peter,
It sounds like you've been using the machine...

IanSav · Post by **IanSav** » Sun Mar 16, 2014 09:07

Hi Nigelh,

nigelh wrote:Now and then a Blueray rip, just freezes on my old Beyonwiz and I have to play it on my Apple TV, if I still have to do that, I don't see a reason to change.

1gig LAN should fix, as that is what the Apple TV has. In this day, a new unit designed with out it, seems to me to not have been thought out. What would it cost, an extra $5 chip?

The same argument goes with USB 3.0, why develop a new device with legacy features and components.

I don't see any substance to your argument. I believe that the maximum bit rate for Blueray content is about 40 Mbps. Thus *ANY* Blueray rip should *EASILY* work on a 100Mbps network interface.

The older model Beyonwiz units have a number of reasons for not supporting such files. For example, the .MKV format was processed in firmware not hardware and the network interface is not capable of running at anywhere near the 100 Mbps limit. From memory it only achieves between about 10 - 40 Mbps depending on what the unit is doing at the time.

Regards,
Ian.

prl · Post by **prl** » Sun Mar 16, 2014 10:01

Paul55 wrote:...
Peter,
It sounds like you've been using the machine...

Everyone who is providing detailed information here has been using it.

Rockets · Post by **Rockets** » Sun Mar 16, 2014 11:32

Are any of the Beta testers able to post screen shots of the UI? Or are you forbidden under the terms of the beta test? How long have the beta testers had the hardware?

prl · Post by **prl** » Sun Mar 16, 2014 12:11

Rockets wrote:Are any of the Beta testers able to post screen shots of the UI? Or are you forbidden under the terms of the beta test?

Not sure. Initially Jai/Wiz HQ asked that the discussion of the T3 be limited to a sub-group of the Beta testers. But that was before the public announcement. I doubt that it would be a problem now. The beta testers are pretty busy at the moment, though.

Rockets wrote:How long have the beta testers had the hardware?

Two T3 beta testers got pre-production hardware in early December. All the T3 beta testers got production hardware in early February.

Raid · Post by **Raid** » Sun Mar 16, 2014 12:19

peteru wrote:
Mantorok wrote:How well does it handle daylight savings changes? Do you need to manually change anything, clear the EPG and timers etc like the current models or does it automagically handle the transition?
I don't know. The T3 can use NTP or broadcast signal as the source of the time. It uses the standard Linux timezone database to keep track of various settings for things like daylight savings. In theory it should work just as well as any other Linux box (i.e. painless and accurate), but in the end we won't be sure as to how well it pans out until we go through at least one or two DST transitions.

Daylight saving ends on the 6th of April, that's 3 weeks away. In 2 weeks the EPG will start to show programs for the changeover period. My assumption is that if the EPG is correct for the 6th onward, everything will be automatic, if not it will be the manual method.

Could you somebody please let us know how this goes in 2 weeks time?

prl · Post by **prl** » Sun Mar 16, 2014 12:39

The broadcast EPG times are in UTC. The T3 timers are in Unix time, which is also UTC based. Basically, what should happen for the EPG and timers at a DST transition is absolutely nothing.

The only tricky bit is that the EPG display needs to be able to handle 23- and 25-hour days as well as the more conventional day length.

That said, the beta testers haven't yet seen a DST transition, so we don't really know what will happen.

IceTV EPG and timers are also in UTC time, so they should also work flawlessly if the T3 ever gets IceTV.

Paul55 · Post by **Paul55** » Sun Mar 16, 2014 12:51

The cynic in me suggests the release date is conveniently just after the DST change. A more generous assessment would be that they are making sure it works before releasing it into the wild.

peteru · Post by **peteru** » Sun Mar 16, 2014 14:41

Paul55 wrote:The cynic in me suggests the release date is conveniently just after the DST change. A more generous assessment would be that they are making sure it works before releasing it into the wild.

Are you a conspiracy theorist by trade?

The release date is set by the speed of the container ship.

Paul55 · Post by **Paul55** » Sun Mar 16, 2014 15:00

peteru wrote: Are you a conspiracy theorist by trade?

No, it's just a hobby

Raid · Post by **Raid** » Sun Mar 16, 2014 17:00

prl wrote:The only tricky bit is that the EPG display needs to be able to handle 23- and 25-hour days as well as the more conventional day length.

I think you will find that the EPG needs to add UTC + Timezone + DS when it's displaying every entry in the guide. Having different length days won't work. The transition times and dates can easily be calculated or you can just use a look-up table.

What is important is that we know it it works... and its only two weeks away before we find out!

prl · Post by **prl** » Sun Mar 16, 2014 17:20

Raid wrote:
prl wrote:The only tricky bit is that the EPG display needs to be able to handle 23- and 25-hour days as well as the more conventional day length.
I think you will find that the EPG needs to add UTC + Timezone + DS when it's displaying every entry in the guide. Having different length days won't work. The transition times and dates can easily be calculated or you can just use a look-up table.

What is important is that we know it it works... and its only two weeks away before we find out!

I'm not sure what you're trying to say. I know how Unix display time is generated from UTC and the zoneinfo tables.

The EPG display has to skip from 0200 to 0300 when DST starts and 0200 occurs twice in the day when DST ends. That means that the EPG displays for those days have respectively 23 and 25 hours.

As you say, though, it will only be clear how it is handled when the DST transition approaches.

peteru · Post by **peteru** » Sun Mar 16, 2014 22:52

I'll just make an assumption that it works properly. The software that the T3 is built on has a European legacy, which means that it would have been tested through a few DST transitions.

Likkie · Post by **Likkie** » Mon Mar 17, 2014 09:06

Raid wrote:1Gbps LAN Connections.

A few years ago the technical experts in the company where I worked, were told by a vendor that a new platform would require 10Gbps IP links to the SAN to enure throughput. Well out of frustration they setup a number of tests using the vendors hardware. You may find the results interesting:

With no other applications running on the server (From memory it was a 2 socket, 2.2G, 6 core, 12GB RAM, 2 x 500G SAS drives) could sustain 390Mbps of data throughput on a 10Gbps link. Once they loaded the application sustained throughput plummeted.

If a top line server cannot maintain 1Gbps throughput what hope has your home PC. I tend to think the 1Gbps LAN connection on a home PC is like buying a red car because it goes faster. While it would be interesting to have a 1Gbps or even a 10Gbps LAN connection, if the application and hardware aren't capable of providing the throughput, why not make the box cheaper instead?

There is big difference between an Application Server processing/serving data and simply streaming video/file data. Your application server may have become bogged down for any number of reasons.

Now considering that T3 is supposedly a DLNA server that could potentially be serving more that one client with high bit rate video, its quite possible (in fact likely) that the 100mpbs link would be saturated whereas the bottle necks for streaming are the disk and/or network. Consider a situation where someone in the living room is using the T3 to playback a movie located on a NAS in your home. Someone else in another room is streaming a program recorded on your T3 to their WDTV Live. Also someone downloaded some movie to there laptop earlier and now they are transferring them to the T3 HDD.

It seems that Beyonwiz is positioning this device is your home media server in addition to being your PVR. Therefore 100mbps ethernet IS deal breaker.
Its going to take a lot longer to load your large MKVs onto the HDD at 100mbps as opposed to 1000mbps.

peteru · Post by **peteru** » Mon Mar 17, 2014 09:35

Likkie wrote:Consider a situation where someone in the living room is using the T3 to playback a movie located on a NAS in your home. Someone else in another room is streaming a program recorded on your T3 to their WDTV Live. Also someone downloaded some movie to there laptop earlier and now they are transferring them to the T3 HDD.

It seems that Beyonwiz is positioning this device is your home media server in addition to being your PVR. Therefore 100mbps ethernet IS deal breaker.
Its going to take a lot longer to load your large MKVs onto the HDD at 100mbps as opposed to 1000mbps.

Let's get real here and work your example:

T3 sustained networking performance (tested figures): incoming 11.2MB/s, outgoing 11.2MB/s
T3 playing (HD) movie from NAS: 1.6MB/s incoming
Streaming HD from T3: 1.6MB/s outgoing
Uploading to T3: remaining incoming bandwidth 11.2 - 1.6 = at least 9MB/s

Or, in other words, you could have 6 HD downloads and 6 HD uploads at the same time and still not hit the limits of a 100Mbps full-duplex connection.

Yes, 1000 is bigger and better than 100, but that's a bit like having a car for city driving that has a top speed of 320km/h vs 150km/h. For all practical purposes, the difference in city traffic is irrelevant. At best you'll be the first car at the next set of red traffic lights.

Raid · Post by **Raid** » Mon Mar 17, 2014 10:18

Likkie wrote:There is big difference between an Application Server processing/serving data and simply streaming video/file data. Your application server may have become bogged down for any number of reasons.

It seems that Beyonwiz is positioning this device is your home media server in addition to being your PVR. Therefore 100mbps ethernet IS deal breaker.
Its going to take a lot longer to load your large MKVs onto the HDD at 100mbps as opposed to 1000mbps.

You are correct, there are a lot of reasons why devices cannot maintain a consistent throughput on an IP interface and a PC is a very good example. My point was that most people think that if you have a 1Gbps interface on your PC, you can and will send data that fast. In reality if BW did install a 1Gbps interface but the speed was limited elsewhere, the end result could have easily been a slower box. Which means that many users would have thought they were getting a high speed interface when they weren't.

Note: My guess is that the chipset only supported 10/100 and USB2 so that's all that could be provided. Once we get the details on the chipset we will know the truth.

From what PeterU has posted to send files from the T3 to another device is 5 times faster than the current machines, to send files to the T3 is 3 times faster. So by my calculations you would be able to stream 3 HD videos from the T3 without a problem (As cannot do any testing, I cannot check). Considering the market this product is aimed at, this is more than enough streams for the device to handle. If users what more streams, than the should be looking a a high end NAS not a PVR.

peteru · Post by **peteru** » Mon Mar 17, 2014 10:52

Raid wrote:Once we get the details on the chipset we will know the truth.

BCM7405

Raid · Post by **Raid** » Mon Mar 17, 2014 11:33

peteru wrote:
Raid wrote:Once we get the details on the chipset we will know the truth.
BCM7405

Thanks PeterU

As per the following Data Sheet USB 2 and 10/100 are direct to chip interfaces.

http://www.avs.org.cn/fruits/Doc/%E5%8D ... PB04-R.pdf

So it was never a cost issue, more the fact that its currently not supported by the Chipset Provider.

snuke · Post by **snuke** » Mon Mar 17, 2014 12:11

Here is the data sheet for the BCM7405
http://www.avs.org.cn/fruits/Doc/%E5%8D ... PB04-R.pdf

• Advanced multi-format decoder supporting the following:
• HD/SD H.264/AVC Main and High Profile to Level 4.1 (HD), Level 3.1 (SD)
• HD/SD AVS Jizhun Profile Levels 2.0, 4.0, and 6.0 (720p and 1080i for HDTV)
• VC-1 Advanced Profile @ Level 3, Simple and Main Profile
• HD/SD MPEG-2 Main Profile at Main and High levels
• MPEG still image decode
• SD MPEG-4 P2 SP/ASP
• HD DivX 3.11/4.11/5.x/6x/Home Theater

• Advanced audio processor supporting the following:
• AAC LC, AAC LC+SBR Level 2, AAC+ Level 2, AAC-HE
• Dolby® Digital, Dolby Digital Plus
• MPEG I layers 1, 2, and 3 (MP3)
• Windows Media®and Windows Media Pro audio
• One pair of on-chip stereo high-fidelity audio DACs
• 3D SRS audio support
• One I2 S input port and one I2 S output port, plus S/PDIF output

• High-performance 2D-effects graphic engine
• Studio-quality text and graphics at HD resolution
• Supports multiple layers and windows

• Digital noise and contour reduction (DNR/DCR)
• Reduces artifacts such as block/mosquito noise

• Picture-in-picture
• Supports simultaneous HD+SD display

• Mosaic Mode
• Supports up to 16 video decode/display for video-rich navigation

• Motion-adaptive deinterlacer with reverse 3:2/2:2 pulldown
• OpenCable™ ready with on-chip MPOD support 400-MHz Dual-Core CMT MIPS32®/16e class processor
• 64-bit DDR2 DRAM controller
• Dual SATA-2 interfaces for DVR and DVD applications

• HD analog video encoder with simultaneous SD outputs
• NTSC-M/J, PAL-BDGHIN/M/Nc, SECAM analog outputs
• 480i/480p/576i/576p/720p/1080i output formats
• Component RGB/YPrPb HD/HD-DVO outputs
• Macrovision® 7.1/NICAM support
• SCART 1 and 2
• Component, S-Video, and composite via six on-chip V-DACs
• VBI encoders for CC/TTX with NABTS/CGMSA/WSS/Gemstar®, AMOL I/II standards and dedicated TTX sideband
• RF modulator with BTSC encoder
• ITU-R-656 input and output ports
• HDMI 1.3/DVI 1.0 Mac and PHY with HDCP 1.1
• Broadcom security processor
• AES/1DES/3DES/CSS/CPRM/DTCP copy protection
• MPEG-2/DIRECTV/DVB/ARIB data transport demux with 1DES/3DES/DVB/Multi2/AES descramblers
• V.92-capable soft modem with integrated SiLab Si305x system side device

• Dual USB 2.0 host controller with host transceiver
• Additional host/client USB 2.0 controller/transceiver

• Dual Ethernet MACs with integrated single PHY and MII
• UHF remote control receiver
• Dual SmartCard support

snuke · Post by **snuke** » Mon Mar 17, 2014 13:32

Raid wrote:As per the following Data Sheet USB 2 and 10/100 are direct to chip interfaces.

So it was never a cost issue, more the fact that its currently not supported by the Chipset Provider.

Having a bit more of a look at the chipset, it was released in early 2008, before the final spec for USB 3 was even released. Also before DTS-HD existed.
This chipset will be nearly 6 years old come T3 release time. Dreambox have used it in their last 6 iterations, including their most current one.
There is no newer version by Broadcom that does what this chipset does.

grl · Post by **grl** » Mon Mar 17, 2014 19:50

Peteru,
Have you tried any X265 encoded video playback?

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