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Post by BigbobOz » Tue Sep 15, 2009 20:10

Is there any talk with BW about the ability for BAPS? ie Beyonwiz apps like on the Toppy 5000?

Or has it been ruled out 100%?

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Post by peteru » Tue Sep 15, 2009 20:50

I don't see it happening on the current models or any other models based on the current generation of hardware.

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Re: BAPS

Post by download » Tue Sep 15, 2009 21:18

Not going to happen (IMO). On the flip side as some have asked, what functionality are you keenly missing?

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Post by BigbobOz » Tue Sep 15, 2009 22:39

Not enough memory?

I'd be keen on better music playback, such as playlist support and random playback. That's one that I can think of.

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Post by prl » Tue Sep 15, 2009 22:57

I have an Idea for a way to implement playlists, at least on network shares, but I haven't got around to testing it. If it works, it won't need any code on the Beyonwiz :)
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Post by BigbobOz » Tue Sep 15, 2009 23:10

It fools the BW in seeing a folder with the MP3s that is basically the playlist?

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Post by prl » Wed Sep 16, 2009 09:06

BigbobOz wrote:It fools the BW in seeing a folder with the MP3s that is basically the playlist?
Essentially. Then just play the folder contents by using auto play next or ZOOM, BLUE to select all for playing. Still need to test it. Probably won't get a chance until the weekend.
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Post by BigbobOz » Wed Sep 16, 2009 23:00

Any chance of creating a random order?

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Post by prl » Thu Sep 17, 2009 13:33

BigbobOz wrote:Any chance of creating a random order?
Nope. All it would do would be to create what looks like a playable folder, but with a selection of recordings in it. True random ordering would have to be done by the Beyonwiz.

If it were created by a script, you could add a random alphabetic prefix so that playing in alphabetical order would be in a random order. But it would be the same random order each time you played it. To re-randomise, you'd have to re-create the "play-list" with new prefixes.
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Post by peteru » Thu Sep 17, 2009 13:41

This ought to be almost trivial with Tony's Wiz server. Just create virtual directories.

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Post by tonymy01 » Thu Sep 17, 2009 15:48

Good idea, if only someone had oodles of time to spare to give it some spit and polish :-)
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Post by prl » Thu Sep 17, 2009 23:16

Unfortunately, my quick-n-dirty playlists idea doesn't work, at least not on a Mac server. I wanted to just make a playlist as a folder containing of shortcuts (Windows)/aliases(OSX)/soft links(Linux) that point to the files you want in the play list. I just got Unsupported Format (the files themselves are OK).

It doesn't work on OSX. It should work on Linux with hard links, it may work on OSX with hard links. I'm not sure on Windows or Linux with soft links, but it may be worth trying.
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Post by peteru » Fri Sep 18, 2009 00:12

You may want to try with "follow symlinks" turned on in smb.conf.

Beware that the "root directory" option can prevent you from following symlinks to out of tree dirs.

"wide links" may also warrant investigation.

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Post by prl » Fri Sep 18, 2009 08:47

peteru wrote:You may want to try with "follow symlinks" turned on in smb.conf.
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I'll give it a go. I'm not sure how volatile manual modifications to smb.conf are when System Preferences>Sharing gets hold of it.
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Post by prl » Sat Sep 19, 2009 18:27

prl wrote:
peteru wrote:You may want to try with "follow symlinks" turned on in smb.conf.
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I'll give it a go. I'm not sure how volatile manual modifications to smb.conf are when System Preferences>Sharing gets hold of it.
That's not the problem, but it's sort-of warm... "Follow symlinks" is enabled by default in OSX samba, and enabling it explicitly in smb.conf doesn't help.

The problem is that OSX samba doesn't follow OSX Aliases. If you use Unix-style symlinks, it works just fine.

Poor person's playlists (network share, OSX)
  1. On a network share, make a folder for the playlist.
  2. In a Terminal window, use the Unix command "ln -s" to create symbolic links in the playlist folder to the media files you want in the playlist.
  3. On the Beyonwiz, navigate into the playlist folder in the FilePlayer, press ZOOM to select all, press OK to play.
  4. Relax and enjoy :)
This technique will work even if the media files aren't in the share, or even on the same device. It will also work for removable media (provided the media is loaded, of course).

It would be nice if someone could try this on a Windows machine (using Windows Shortcuts instead of OSX Aliases/Unix soft links). It may also be possible to make it work for making playlists on NTFS USB HDDs attached to the Beyonwiz.
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Post by BigbobOz » Sun Sep 20, 2009 21:36

Do you have to select all files to get the BW to play them consecutively?

I'm rebuilding my pc so won't be trying the shortcuts any time soon, but will give it ago at some stage..

Fixed random until the next time the playlist program is run is fine. Better than nothing. I like this system as well because in theory you can keep adding songs or videos. Then again I'm not sure the BW refreshes the file list while playing...

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Post by prl » Mon Sep 21, 2009 09:39

Hi, BigBobOz.

Whether you have to Select All before playing all in a folder depends on the setting of SETUP>Misc>File Player>Automatic Play Next. If that's set, you don't need to do the Select All. If it's not set, then you have to select all. Doing Select All will always work, so I used that in the example for brevity.

I don't think that updating the playlist on the fly will work, because the Beyonwiz plays in the sort order, and it's probably not going to re-read and re-sort the folder contents each time a track is started. You'll probably have to stop play, exit the playlist folder and re-enter it in order to seen changes to content.

Anyway, this is an shameless hack that gives you a function that you're not supposed to have, so you can hardly complain too much if its a bit rough around the edges. :)
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Post by BigbobOz » Mon Sep 21, 2009 21:12

Understand. I guess an additional feature I was hoping could be created is the ability to edit playlists without stopping playback. Either for music or videos. I have a large Rage music video collection which I would love to be able to create playlists on the fly...

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