NAS bulk buy Qnap (numbers closing Sat 19/1)

grunta · Post by **grunta** » Fri Jan 11, 2008 13:28

I'm trying to organise a bulk purchase of some Qnap ts-109 or ts-209

please post your interest, By Voting !
and leave a message stating which you prefered
I've asked for an indication of cost, but they may not be willing to quote prices without interested numbers...... bit of a "Catch 22"

indication was it would be a good price .....so will have to wait and see

in the NAS Advice Needed post there was a problem identified and fixed with a firmware update according to Goo_Roo

frankieboy · Post by **frankieboy** » Fri Jan 11, 2008 17:49

Very keen to get a QNAP now that goo_roo has done all the hard work.

I'd like to get the 109 Pro rather than the plain vanilla 109.

I got a quote in the mid to high 400s a few months ago, there wasn't much better on staticice at the time, although I see they've come down to the high $300s since then.

If we can get this baby down to closer to $300 I'm in big time (wishful thinking I know).

Then there's the terabyte drive to go in it...

grunta · Post by **grunta** » Fri Jan 11, 2008 23:44

frankieboy wrote:Very keen to get a QNAP now that goo_roo has done all the hard work.

I'd like to get the 109 Pro rather than the plain vanilla 109.

I got a quote in the mid to high 400s a few months ago, there wasn't much better on staticice at the time, although I see they've come down to the high $300s since then.

If we can get this baby down to closer to $300 I'm in big time (wishful thinking I know).

Then there's the terabyte drive to go in it...

can you please process a vote, that way it's easier for me to collate the numbers

frankieboy · Post by **frankieboy** » Sat Jan 12, 2008 09:37

grunta wrote: can you please process a vote, that way it's easier for me to collate the numbers

Already have voted - I think that the one vote for the 109 is mine

Just wanted to add that I'd like to go for the 109 Pro.

grunta · Post by **grunta** » Sat Jan 12, 2008 14:32

LOL .... sorry frankieboy .......would help if I clicked on "view votes"

and leave a message stating which you prefered

original post editted

peteru · Post by **peteru** » Sun Jan 13, 2008 12:03

Can you please add an option for the TS-409? I am not interested in the smaller units, I would prefer 4 drives or more.

peterjcat · Post by **peterjcat** » Sun Jan 13, 2008 15:45

peteru wrote:Can you please add an option for the TS-409? I am not interested in the smaller units, I would prefer 4 drives or more.

Me too on the 409.

DaveR · Post by **DaveR** » Sun Jan 13, 2008 17:39

For those who don't know what a Qnap NAS is:
http://www.qnap.com/images/products/com ... TS109.html
http://www.qnap.com/images/products/com ... TS209.html

Cheapest StaticICE prices

TS-109 $300
TS-109 Pro $390

TS-209 $410
TS-209 Pro $470

TS-409 $650
TS-409 Pro $715

Of course there's always the oh-so-sexy TS-401T for only $1350

I can see that I'd quickly grow out of the 109 (i.e. run out of room) even with a 1TB HDD. The 209 with the ability to add another 1TB HDD later is more appealing. Though I can see that also filling up sooner rather than later.

I can't justify the extra $ for a Pro version just to have AD and NFS (since I no longer have any Linux clients or a Windows Server with Active Directory).

Grunta, what chance is there of ordering a mixed bag of different models?

grunta · Post by **grunta** » Mon Jan 14, 2008 00:41

@Dave?

No idea mate ........ I don't even know how we will get on .......

the reason I thought about doing this (trying)
is the response that GooRoo got in regards to his problem, and it seemed to me an opportunity since someone from Qnap followed it up via our forum, and left contact details ..... so I thought why not front them, and see where we go to from there.....

so at this stage any options will be forwarded, I assume we would need the numbers for them to bother, and hopefully a mix would be just as good, although that makes pricing a bit harder

@"the others"

could you submit your votes now Dave? has added the extra options
(can't change them after someone has posted to the topic) - thanks Dave?

j s · Post by **j s** » Mon Jan 14, 2008 06:57

I voted for the 209. The QNAP has some intriguing possibilities. PHP? Did I hear someone mention ToppyWeb?

Surely not in these forums!

And ftpd-topfield is apparently easy to install

Mantorok · Post by **Mantorok** » Mon Jan 14, 2008 12:55

I'd be happy with either the 109 or the 109 Pro (I voted for the 109). The others seem a bit over the top for my needs.

Edit: I may still consider the other models if the price is right though.

Vortical · Post by **Vortical** » Mon Jan 14, 2008 13:16

I also voted for the TS-109 provided the price is good.

grunta · Post by **grunta** » Mon Jan 14, 2008 13:37

all will be reviewed, according to prices when / if I get them

frankieboy · Post by **frankieboy** » Mon Jan 14, 2008 13:44

The reason I like the 109/109 Pro is that it is fanless and so quiet. The others all have fans, bit of an issue if you want to put them somewhere where the fan noise would be a problem (like in a walk-in-robe where my switch is and so where the qnap is most likely to go).

It also seems that goo_roo has a 109 Pro - is anyone that has a 109 or 209 already able to confirm that the BW issue has been fixed by the 31/12/2007 firmware on these models?

jpp · Post by **jpp** » Mon Jan 14, 2008 14:22

frankieboy wrote:The reason I like the 109/109 Pro is that it is fanless and so quiet. The others all have fans, bit of an issue if you want to put them somewhere where the fan noise would be a problem (like in a walk-in-robe where my switch is and so where the qnap is most likely to go).

It also seems that goo_roo has a 109 Pro - is anyone that has a 109 or 209 already able to confirm that the BW issue has been fixed by the 31/12/2007 firmware on these models?

I don't know about this brand, but the ReadyNas range has a very quiet fan - less than the typical PC - even the newer fan speed controlled ones.

Something else to check up on is whether the discs can be set up to spin down after a pre-set amount of time.

Lastly, for those unfamiliar with NAS drives, the 4 drive models allow one disk to fail and still not loose any data - a new drive can be plugged in and it will reconstitute the data onto the new drive. The sort of thing you really need for PC backups. Most of the 4 drive models come preconfigured with a Bacup Directory and a Media directory for just this purpose.

Mantorok · Post by **Mantorok** » Tue Jan 15, 2008 15:24

Hey Grunta,

Any idea how long it will be until you get the final numbers for the bulk buy. I'm keen to get one of these babies but don't want to wait for too long.

peterjcat · Post by **peterjcat** » Tue Jan 15, 2008 17:58

frankieboy wrote:The reason I like the 109/109 Pro is that it is fanless and so quiet. The others all have fans, bit of an issue if you want to put them somewhere where the fan noise would be a problem (like in a walk-in-robe where my switch is and so where the qnap is most likely to go).

It also seems that goo_roo has a 109 Pro - is anyone that has a 109 or 209 already able to confirm that the BW issue has been fixed by the 31/12/2007 firmware on these models?

I've got the 209 and the NYE firmware fixes all the Beyonwiz problems on that too. Well, except that the drives eventually fill up just like everything else.

It's pretty noisy so I've got it in a cupboard under the stairs. Definitely wouldn't have it anywhere near the TV, I'd advise the fanless 109 for anyone concerned with noise.

peterjcat · Post by **peterjcat** » Tue Jan 15, 2008 17:59

PS thanks goo_roo for persisting with the QNAP/BW issue, obviously with neither party having heard of the other it likely wouldn't have been solved without your intervention and management. Cheers!

grunta · Post by **grunta** » Tue Jan 15, 2008 21:43

Mantorok wrote:Hey Grunta,

Any idea how long it will be until you get the final numbers for the bulk buy. I'm keen to get one of these babies but don't want to wait for too long.

no not really ...... I won't let it drag on much longer, -- as mentioned above, it's all tentative

I'm not 100% sure the guy from Qnap will come up with a deal or not
He said he will follow up and try and get us a good price, but he may be expecting more numbers than we have at the moment, I don't know

peteru · Post by **peteru** » Wed Jan 16, 2008 08:34

Yeah, the term "bulk buy" to me would suggest somewhere on the order of 100 units. When you are talking about less than 10 units. you may be able to go directly to the distributor to get wholesale price. Still, even if you can only get it 10% under the best retail price, that's probably worthwhile.

grunta · Post by **grunta** » Wed Jan 16, 2008 10:16

peteru wrote:Yeah, the term "bulk buy" to me would suggest somewhere on the order of 100 units. When you are talking about less than 10 units. you may be able to go directly to the distributor to get wholesale price. Still, even if you can only get it 10% under the best retail price, that's probably worthwhile.

I agree with Peteru
this may be more along the lines Ron from Qnap was suggesting, as he said he would put me in contact with a distributor here

I'll leave it till Sat then contact him again with the numbers to get a price

Vortical · Post by **Vortical** » Wed Jan 16, 2008 10:35

You may get more numbers on Whirlpool Forums in the Hardware section
I'm not sure about dtvforums if there is a relevant section.

Either way it's a worth a shot to boost numbers.

Vortical · Post by **Vortical** » Fri Jan 18, 2008 13:47

grunta

+1 for the TS-209Pro for a dtvforums member krelm http://www.dtvforum.info/index.php?showuser=30135
who is in the process of trying to signup to the BW site for the qnap bulk buy
(BW username booyip)

peteru · Post by **peteru** » Fri Jan 18, 2008 16:58

Just in case anyone would like more info on the TS-409:

http://www.qnap.com/pro_detail_feature.asp?p_id=86

Closest competing product seems to be Thecus N5200, which is slightly bigger, with support for five drives, rather than the four supported by the TS-409.

I'm likely to get either Thecus or Qnap and do some hacking of it and the Beyonwiz. I've had fun hacking the Toppy and NSLU2, much to the satisfaction of the user community and am ready to have a go with Beyonwiz and a NAS box.

tonymy01 · Post by **tonymy01** » Fri Jan 18, 2008 17:42

I very much appreciate the effort you went to to discover the Topfield USB protocol, get 'puppy' going, get many of us running SLUGs, and then your efforts were taken a step further with Steves 'ftpd-topfield', well done Peter and I am looking forward to your next installments for the Wiz

Regards

grunta · Post by **grunta** » Fri Jan 18, 2008 18:10

peteru wrote:Just in case anyone would like more info on the TS-409:

http://www.qnap.com/pro_detail_feature.asp?p_id=86

Closest competing product seems to be Thecus N5200, which is slightly bigger, with support for five drives, rather than the four supported by the TS-409.

I'm likely to get either Thecus or Qnap and do some hacking of it and the Beyonwiz. I've had fun hacking the Toppy and NSLU2, much to the satisfaction of the user community and am ready to have a go with Beyonwiz and a NAS box.

how about reverse engineering the sigma chip platform and updating the kernel, giving us ntfs read/write

....... as a start

peteru · Post by **peteru** » Fri Jan 18, 2008 18:15

Actually, that should not be necessary. Beyonwiz are obliged to do a full GPL release. They have been promising that for about a year now - perhaps it is time to step up the pressure.

BTW: Let's not go off topic here - if you wish to discuss this matter further start a new thread.

grunta · Post by **grunta** » Fri Jan 18, 2008 18:17

where have I read that post before ???

some people never learn ....

IanSav · Post by **IanSav** » Sat Jan 19, 2008 08:30

Hi Peter,

peteru wrote:Just in case anyone would like more info on the TS-409:

http://www.qnap.com/pro_detail_feature.asp?p_id=86

Closest competing product seems to be Thecus N5200, which is slightly bigger, with support for five drives, rather than the four supported by the TS-409.

I'm likely to get either Thecus or Qnap and do some hacking of it and the Beyonwiz. I've had fun hacking the Toppy and NSLU2, much to the satisfaction of the user community and am ready to have a go with Beyonwiz and a NAS box.

As the owner of an Infrant (now Netgear) ReadyNAS NV+ how do you feel about working with one of these? With the newest version 4 firmware they have now officially opened up the NAS for full shell access, including root access, and will soon have a full development kit available.

Grunta, these may be another alternative for those wanting a larger NAS that compete against the larger QNAP. I believe that the Netgear version has more software options and comes at a lover price. (Netgear doesn't have options to compete with the lower end QNAP at this time.)

Regards,
Ian.

grunta · Post by **grunta** » Sat Jan 19, 2008 10:03

@IanSav
what sort of "work" would you think could be in store for something like this ?

alwayslooking · Post by **alwayslooking** » Sat Jan 19, 2008 10:15

IanSav wrote: As the owner of an Infrant (now Netgear) ReadyNAS NV+ how do you feel about working with one of these? With the newest version 4 firmware they have now officially opened up the NAS for full shell access, including root access, and will soon have a full development kit available.

Grunta, these may be another alternative for those wanting a larger NAS that compete against the larger QNAP. I believe that the Netgear version has more software options and comes at a lover price. (Netgear doesn't have options to compete with the lower end QNAP at this time.)

I agree with you Ian, we started working with the Infrant (Netgear) after the Anthology Yellow Machine guys went bust. IMHO the ReadyNAS was good to start with and since Netgear released V4 of the firmware, they are even better.

IanSav · Post by **IanSav** » Sat Jan 19, 2008 10:24

Hi Grunta,

grunta wrote:what sort of "work" would you think could be in store for something like this ?

I was only offering a platform suggestion for Peter. I don't know what kind of developments Peter has in mind. My ReadyNAS already works brilliantly with my DP-S1.

Regards,
Ian.

peteru · Post by **peteru** » Sat Jan 19, 2008 13:44

Yes, I was eying off both the rack mount version and the desktop case. It looks OK as do many other boxes.

So far the most attractive option seems to be Thecus N5200 because it uses a Celeron M processor. Development for an x86 platform would be pretty easy, since all the executables can be debugged on a normal Linux desktop PC. It may be even possible to run Windows executables under Wine on one of those!

The Qnap and Infrant use RISC cores that require cross-compilers, thus complicating the development process. The trick is to pick a development platform that has the lowest barrier to entry, so that I can concentrate on adding value and not on building a dev environment.

Vortical · Post by **Vortical** » Sat Jan 19, 2008 15:19

Are pro versions really useful in home applications with a couple of computers?

I'm not sure if I really need Windows Active Directory or NFS support.

booyip · Post by **booyip** » Sat Jan 19, 2008 17:21

Vortical wrote:grunta

+1 for the TS-209Pro for a dtvforums member krelm http://www.dtvforum.info/index.php?showuser=30135
who is in the process of trying to signup to the BW site for the qnap bulk buy
(BW username booyip)

Thanks Vortical - I'm approved on here now. Have registered my interest in the TS-209 Pro on the first page poll now. Might be interested in 2 of them if price is good...

DaveR · Post by **DaveR** » Sat Jan 19, 2008 17:28

peteru wrote:So far the most attractive option seems to be Thecus N5200 because it uses a Celeron M processor.

Then the only question is which one?
N5200
N5200 PRO
N5200B
N5200B PRO
N5200BR
N5200BR PRO

peteru wrote:Development for an x86 platform would be pretty easy, since all the executables can be debugged on a normal Linux desktop PC. It may be even possible to run Windows executables under Wine on one of those!

Sweet!

mquin · Post by **mquin** » Sun Jan 20, 2008 10:02

added my vote for the 209 but may go down to the 109 depending upon the final GB price

matt

Mantorok · Post by **Mantorok** » Mon Jan 21, 2008 07:59

Hey Grunta,

Now that you have the final numbers are you able to get a good price on the QNAP gear?

A few extra questions for you:
1. Does the price include postage? If not how much will it be? Is local pickup an option?
2. How do we make the payment? Direct Deposit, Cheque?
3. What happens if we need to make a waranty claim?
4. I'd really like to get my hands on the TS-109 by the weekend...is it do-able?

Cheers

grunta · Post by **grunta** » Mon Jan 21, 2008 14:20

Mantorok wrote:Hey Grunta,

Now that you have the final numbers are you able to get a good price on the QNAP gear?

A few extra questions for you:
1. Does the price include postage? If not how much will it be? Is local pickup an option?
2. How do we make the payment? Direct Deposit, Cheque?
3. What happens if we need to make a waranty claim?
4. I'd really like to get my hands on the TS-109 by the weekend...is it do-able?

Cheers

I'll be contacting the supplier on wed, and will then have details for the top 3
and #4 I'd say most likely not ... depends on how much stock they have, and ("The Price is Right") if we go ahead .......... sorry

Vortical · Post by **Vortical** » Mon Jan 21, 2008 14:43

Grunta i might change mine from a 109 to a 209 depending on the price.

diesel · Post by **diesel** » Sun Feb 20, 2011 22:36

I know this is an old thread, but just wondering if anyone has any good places to buy a QNAP 219+ for a good price????

brianh · Post by **brianh** » Mon Feb 21, 2011 05:04

Check staticice - it will show the best buys....

download · Post by **download** » Mon Feb 21, 2011 06:47

Amazing how slow these units have been to come down in price. Just bought one myself for $410 on eBay.

Actually following brians tip, I'm just trying to figure out if there's been a big recent price drop in Oz? Did the usual searches last week and the 209P+ was around $500+ everywhere. I priced my current 109-II model and was surprised to see that was still $370 ish. But now the 209 is down to $400ish but the 109 is now almost the same cost at $370. Strange.

Great unit the 109 (nice plus that its fanless). If anyone wants it for $200 let me know.

Regards

Peter Gillespie

brianh · Post by **brianh** » Mon Feb 21, 2011 17:57

download wrote:[snip]... Actually following brians tip.........

Peter Gillespie

Rather ironic Peter - I only found out about staticice from one of your posts years ago.....

diesel · Post by **diesel** » Wed Feb 23, 2011 22:14

I see QNAP has just released the 212. It also supports Apple Time Machine so it might be a cheaper option than the 219+

download · Post by **download** » Thu Feb 24, 2011 14:12

diesel wrote:I see QNAP has just released the 212. It also supports Apple Time Machine so it might be a cheaper option than the 219+

Had a look around on it. Seems to be available for about $340 (Scorptec has some) compared to $430 for the 219p+.

So not a bad deal on the face of it. Damn hard to fin actual read/write speeds despite all the QNAP info provided on their site. Spec wise it looks like you loose:

eSata
1.2 versus 1.6 CPU
256 versus 512 memory
Ability to Hotswap

Seems pretty close to the 219P spec (although that seems priced higher than the 219P+ for some reason - if you can find it) - On pricing these QNAPs seem all over the place in stores.

All up seems like a reasonable buy, however one of the main reasons I'm upgrading my qnap is for a bit more processor grunt. Has been suggested to me that a '+" model handles stuff like NZB downloads appreciably nicer than a non '+' model.

Diesel, are you going to run a 2Tb mirror or take a punt and go the 4Gb approach?

Regards

Peter Gillespie

diesel · Post by **diesel** » Thu Feb 24, 2011 19:46

You got me thinking now..

After posting about the 212, I saw that the 210 is going for ~$260 which is more palatable. Issue is 800mHz chipset....but do I really need more than that???

Add a 2TB WD drive and I can get backing up again for ~$350. I am thinking of having 1 x 2TB HDD dedicated as a Time Machine, and the other for use with PCs, so effectively 4TB. I figure if either drive dies, at least the mac/PCs will still have the data and I can re-backup.

However, now you got me thinking about getting the 212...

download · Post by **download** » Fri Feb 25, 2011 09:39

diesel wrote:However, now you got me thinking about getting the 212...

I'm selling my 500Mhz 109P-II ($150 if anyone wants it). Mainly I wanted to get a 2 drive option and just missed out noting the 212 was available. I do like the idea of the extra grunt my 1600 Mhz 219P+ will have but yes you're write in a small home environment it may be a fair bit of overkill. The main performance advantage is in the write speeds of higher models. However these units typically do their stuff behind the scenes. I found I could copy a few Gb back and forth in 10 minutes or so.

That said, if your wanting to go time machine then faster read/write might be desirable. See if you can find some comparison speeds on the net. FWIW if you're going the 2 drive model, I'd pay the extra $60 and get a beefier version. These units have quite a lot of capabilities and they'll stay in your cupboard long after you've upgraded your PC.

http://staticice.com.au/cgi-bin/search. ... 212&spos=3

Regards

Peter Gillespie

diesel · Post by **diesel** » Fri Feb 25, 2011 18:37

Yeah, the 212 is looking far more attractive now. I'm replacing my WD MyWorld Bool=k which has had the Hardware die. The drive is still fine.

I actually use shopbot.com.au to do all my cheap price finding. It seems to offer more hits than Staticice IMO