trash

Frozzix · Post by **Frozzix** » Mon Jul 01, 2019 09:36

how do i change the time for items in trash to be permanently deleted

MrQuade · Post by **MrQuade** » Mon Jul 01, 2019 11:00

MEDIA->MENU->Settings...->Remove items from trash after (days)

netmask · Post by **netmask** » Mon Jul 01, 2019 14:51

I know this has been covered ad nauseum but I wish someone could come up with a fix so we could assign trash to empty after x days for a particular program. Last night news as an example...

MrQuade · Post by **MrQuade** » Mon Jul 01, 2019 15:30

netmask wrote: ↑
Mon Jul 01, 2019 14:51
I know this has been covered ad nauseum but I wish someone could come up with a fix so we could assign trash to empty after x days for a particular program. Last night news as an example...

Do you really want it to work that way?

The commonly requested feature is to move something *to* trash after a custom number of days per-program.

The trash folder is not something that should ever need custom curation, it is just an "oops" location that may or may not let you recover stuff that was accidentally deleted ("may not" because the auto-cleanup code can permanently delete the oldest trash contents before x days have expired).

prl · Post by **prl** » Mon Jul 01, 2019 16:29

MrQuade wrote: ↑
Mon Jul 01, 2019 15:30

netmask wrote: ↑
Mon Jul 01, 2019 14:51
I know this has been covered ad nauseum but I wish someone could come up with a fix so we could assign trash to empty after x days for a particular program. Last night news as an example...
Do you really want it to work that way?

The commonly requested feature is to move something *to* trash after a custom number of days per-program.

+1

A commonly-used workaround for this for people using basic timers and AutoTimers is to record programs you want to auto-delete directly into (a folder in) Trash. It's an ugly hack, but it seems to do the job, unless you want it to work for IceTV recordings.

One problem with implementing this properly is that a sensible way to do it is to add a new line to the .ts.meta file for recordings, but to do that in the cleanest way would need a change to the C++ API for starting a recording, and would also need fixes in all the places that might read and write the .ts.meta file. It would also need changes to the AutoTimer plugin that may not be well-received by the custodians of that source repository (because of the previous reason), and may need changes to other plugins that might manipulate .ts.meta.

You'd also need to think carefully about what directories should be searched to perform auto-delete, and how to remove it from auto-delete programs you decided you wanted to keep.

And even if all that was done, it would still be tricky to have it apply to programs recorded using IceTV.

An alternative would be to have a list of program names to which auto-delete applies, rather than having an auto-delete timer option, but that has issues all of its own. However, it has the advantage that it might be possible to implement it as a plugin.

There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio,
Than are dreamt of in your philosophy.

Hamlet 1.V (I seem to be looking at Hamlet a lot today

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netmask · Post by **netmask** » Mon Jul 01, 2019 16:33

No all I would like to do is record the news from ABC and SBS and 7:30 report and have them deleted 3 days later. I record into the internal hdd movie folder, no other folders and no IceTV. Plain vanilla PVR of off air stuff. Anything I want to keep I transfer onto my NAS.

MrQuade · Post by **MrQuade** » Mon Jul 01, 2019 17:06

netmask wrote: ↑
Mon Jul 01, 2019 16:33
No all I would like to do is record the news from ABC and SBS and 7:30 report and have them deleted 3 days later.

Ok, so that's now what you said in your earlier post. What you are saying here is what I described and prl +1'd.

And I totally agree, that it would be a useful and valued feature to have.

prl · Post by **prl** » Mon Jul 01, 2019 17:08

netmask wrote: ↑
Mon Jul 01, 2019 16:33
No all I would like to do is record the news from ABC and SBS and 7:30 report and have them deleted 3 days later.

That's still not really clear to me what you want. Especially not what you exactly mean by "delete".

Would a generic autodelete function that could mark a program to be completely removed rather than moved to trash when it reached its autodelete time, even if your default delete button function is "Move to trash" accomplish what you want?

I don't see the ability to have different programs be deleted from trash at different times as being something that is really needed.

I see that the interaction between autodelete and the delete button function setting is also perhaps something that would need thinking about.

prl · Post by **prl** » Mon Jul 01, 2019 17:11

MrQuade wrote: ↑
Mon Jul 01, 2019 17:06

netmask wrote: ↑
Mon Jul 01, 2019 16:33
No all I would like to do is record the news from ABC and SBS and 7:30 report and have them deleted 3 days later.
Ok, so that's now what you said in your earlier post. What you are saying here is what I described and prl +1'd.

It's not clear to me that's what I was agreeing to. As I said, it depends on exactly what's meant by "delete" here. I thought it meant "delete completely", no matter what my "Use trash in movie list" setting is.

Most requests for autodelete seem to be more "delete completely or move to trash after x days, depending on my Use trash setting", or that's how I've read them.

MrQuade · Post by **MrQuade** » Mon Jul 01, 2019 17:51

prl wrote: ↑
Mon Jul 01, 2019 17:11
I thought it meant "delete completely", no matter what my "Use trash in movie list" setting is.

Most requests for autodelete seem to be more "delete completely or move to trash after x days, depending on my Use trash setting", or that's how I've read them.

Ahh righto. Yes, the selective "delete completely" option is one I didn't consider.

netmask · Post by **netmask** » Mon Jul 01, 2019 18:03

I don't care whether the 3 days old news etc is completely deleted then and there or moved into the trash. As far as I'm concerned it's no longer in the main movie folder. Out of sight out of mind. Less clutter!

prl · Post by **prl** » Mon Jul 01, 2019 18:04

MrQuade wrote: ↑
Mon Jul 01, 2019 17:51

prl wrote: ↑
Mon Jul 01, 2019 17:11
I thought it meant "delete completely", no matter what my "Use trash in movie list" setting is.

Most requests for autodelete seem to be more "delete completely or move to trash after x days, depending on my Use trash setting", or that's how I've read them.
Ahh righto. Yes, the selective "delete completely" option is one I didn't consider.

It's something that I think could be a useful addition if autodelete is implemented. Perhaps a timer auto-delete option like always move to trash/always delete/follow "use trash" setting". would be useful.

This is a feature where almost everyone is agreed it would be a "good thing", but I don't think many people (including myself) have thought much about what exactly it should do, let alone how it should be implemented.

Because of known (and other possible) plugin interactions, I think that some sort of consensus about it would be needed in the broader enigma2 developer/user community. That isn't always easy to achieve.

prl · Post by **prl** » Mon Jul 01, 2019 18:08

netmask wrote: ↑
Mon Jul 01, 2019 18:03
I don't care whether the 3 days old news etc is completely deleted then and there or moved into the trash. As far as I'm concerned it's no longer in the main movie folder. Out of sight out of mind. Less clutter!

OK, thanks. That's the clarification about "delete" that I needed.

However, it the discussion has brought up the possibility of a useful additional autodelete option

In the meantime, you could just record your news programs to a folder in Trash (es, it is ugly). That will then get rid of them after your "Remove items from trash after" period, though there may be a bit of tension between the setting you'd ideally want for news vs the setting you'd prefer for other deleted recordings.

Grumpy_Geoff · Post by **Grumpy_Geoff** » Mon Jul 01, 2019 18:11

netmask wrote: ↑
Mon Jul 01, 2019 18:03
Out of sight out of mind. Less clutter!

Then record straight into Trash - out of sight, less clutter (but as long as not out of mind you can still watch 'em)

netmask · Post by **netmask** » Mon Jul 01, 2019 18:32

Don't like the idea of recording to Trash especially the content involved - I'm an old media person

prl · Post by **prl** » Mon Jul 01, 2019 20:20

I've said twice that "record to trash" is an ugly workaround. But it works.

netmask · Post by **netmask** » Mon Jul 01, 2019 20:27

Could another folder with all the attributes of Trash be created? Say call it transit?

peteru · Post by **peteru** » Tue Jul 02, 2019 00:05

prl wrote: ↑
Mon Jul 01, 2019 16:29
a sensible way to do it is to add a new line to the .ts.meta file for recordings

I think you may be over-engineering a solution here. The main user requirement could be achieved by a plugin that simply provides an opportunity to specify a number of rules, where each rule has a file name pattern and a number of days. The plugin could run a clean job every few hours that finds files that match the file name pattern and are older than the number of specified days. These entries would be moved to the Trash folder. For bonus points, I would probably also provide a preview feature that allows a user to run the search for each rule (and for all rules) and show which files are being considered but not deleted vs those that will get deleted.

As far as determining the age of the file, st_mtime on the *.ts file is probably a reasonable indicator.

Basically a plugin GUI around a cronjob that does something along the lines of find /media/hdd -xdev -type f -iname '*news*.ts' -mtime +7, then parses the output to ignore entries in .Trash and also processes all the usual ancillary files.

prl · Post by **prl** » Tue Jul 02, 2019 00:21

I had thought about a plugin along those lines, but:

peteru wrote: ↑
Tue Jul 02, 2019 00:05
... a plugin that simply provides an opportunity to specify a number of rules, where each rule has a file name pattern and a number of days. The plugin could run a clean job every few hours that finds files that match the file name pattern and are older than the number of specified days.

Doesn't sound particularly user-friendly to me, especially given that the program name part of the file names sometimes don't quite look like the program names.

peteru · Post by **peteru** » Tue Jul 02, 2019 01:27

Seems perfectly acceptable to me:

Code: Select all

Name pattern                   Days to keep
--------------------------------------------
news                                      3
rage                                     14
peppa pig                                90

And what this would match here (which is as expected):

Code: Select all

# find /media/hdd -xdev -type f -iname '*news*.ts' -mtime +4
/media/hdd/movie/20180813 1125 - 7HD Sydney - Seven Morning News.ts
/media/hdd/movie/20180813 0455 - 7HD Sydney - Seven Early News.ts
/media/hdd/movie/20181110 1655 - 9HD Sydney - Nine News_ First At Five.ts
/media/hdd/movie/20181110 1755 - 9HD Sydney - Nine News Saturday.ts
/media/hdd/movie/20180812 1754 - 9HD Sydney - Nine News Sunday.ts
/media/hdd/movie/20180812 1754 - 7HD Sydney - Seven News.ts
/media/hdd/movie/20180813 0455 - 9HD Sydney - Nine News Early Edition.ts

# find /media/hdd -xdev -type f -iname '*rage*.ts' -mtime +15
/media/hdd/movie/20150503 2132 - ABC3 - rage cut.ts
/media/hdd/movie/20150503 2132 - ABC3 - rage.ts
/media/hdd/movie/20170422 2358 - ABC - Rage 30th Birthday Viewer Takeover cut.ts


# find /media/hdd -xdev -type f -iname '*peppa pig*.ts' -mtime +91
/media/hdd/movie/Kids/Peppa Pig/20151001 1719 - ABC2_KIDS - Peppa Pig.ts
/media/hdd/movie/Kids/Peppa Pig/20150906 0752 - ABC2_KIDS - Peppa Pig.ts
/media/hdd/movie/Kids/Peppa Pig/20180427 0754 - ABCComedy_Kids - Peppa Pig.ts
/media/hdd/movie/Kids/Peppa Pig/20180509 1732 - ABCComedy_Kids - Peppa Pig.ts
/media/hdd/movie/Kids/Peppa Pig/20151001 0752 - ABC2_KIDS - Peppa Pig.ts
/media/hdd/movie/Kids/Peppa Pig/20180713 1730 - ABCComedy_Kids - Peppa Pig.ts
/media/hdd/movie/Kids/Peppa Pig/20151004 0752 - ABC2_KIDS - Peppa Pig.ts
/media/hdd/movie/Kids/Peppa Pig/20150519 1721 - ABC2_KIDS - Peppa Pig.ts
/media/hdd/movie/Kids/Peppa Pig/20180522 0754 - ABCComedy_Kids - Peppa Pig.ts
/media/hdd/movie/Kids/Peppa Pig/20150225 0752 - ABC2 _ ABC4 - Peppa Pig.ts
/media/hdd/movie/Kids/Peppa Pig/20150715 0750 - ABC2_KIDS - Peppa Pig.ts
/media/hdd/movie/Kids/Peppa Pig/20180707 0754 - ABCComedy_Kids - Peppa Pig.ts
/media/hdd/movie/Kids/Peppa Pig/20180819 1729 - ABCComedy_Kids - Peppa Pig.ts
/media/hdd/movie/Kids/Peppa Pig/20150403 0749 - ABC2_KIDS - Peppa Pig.ts
/media/hdd/movie/Kids/Peppa Pig/20150802 0751 - ABC2_KIDS - Peppa Pig.ts
/media/hdd/movie/Kids/Peppa Pig/20150930 1719 - ABC2_KIDS - Peppa Pig.ts
/media/hdd/movie/Kids/Peppa Pig/20180723 0754 - ABCComedy_Kids - Peppa Pig.ts
/media/hdd/movie/Kids/Peppa Pig/20180415 1731 - ABCComedy_Kids - Peppa Pig.ts
/media/hdd/movie/Kids/Peppa Pig/20180605 0753 - ABCComedy_Kids - Peppa Pig.ts
/media/hdd/movie/Kids/Peppa Pig/20150522 0752 - ABC2_KIDS - Peppa Pig.ts
/media/hdd/movie/Kids/Peppa Pig/20180511 0754 - ABCComedy_Kids - Peppa Pig.ts
/media/hdd/movie/Kids/Peppa Pig/20150319 0753 - ABC2_KIDS - Peppa Pig.ts
/media/hdd/movie/Kids/Peppa Pig/20150214 1737 - ABC2 _ ABC4 - Peppa Pig.ts
/media/hdd/movie/Kids/Peppa Pig/20180416 0754 - ABCComedy_Kids - Peppa Pig.ts
/media/hdd/movie/Kids/Peppa Pig/20150806 1720 - ABC2_KIDS - Peppa Pig.ts
/media/hdd/movie/Kids/Peppa Pig/20180613 1731 - ABCComedy_Kids - Peppa Pig.ts
/media/hdd/movie/Kids/Peppa Pig/20180804 1730 - ABCComedy_Kids - Peppa Pig.ts
/media/hdd/movie/Kids/Peppa Pig/20150406 1742 - ABC2_KIDS - Peppa Pig_005.ts
/media/hdd/movie/Kids/Peppa Pig/20150904 1720 - ABC2_KIDS - Peppa Pig.ts
/media/hdd/movie/Kids/Peppa Pig/20180621 0753 - ABCComedy_Kids - Peppa Pig.ts
/media/hdd/movie/Kids/Peppa Pig/20180507 0753 - ABCComedy_Kids - Peppa Pig.ts
/media/hdd/movie/Kids/Peppa Pig/20180807 1729 - ABCComedy_Kids - Peppa Pig.ts
/media/hdd/movie/Kids/Peppa Pig/20180516 0754 - ABCComedy_Kids - Peppa Pig.ts
/media/hdd/movie/Kids/Peppa Pig/20150627 1721 - ABC2_KIDS - Peppa Pig.ts
/media/hdd/movie/Kids/Peppa Pig/20180704 1730 - ABCComedy_Kids - Peppa Pig.ts
/media/hdd/movie/Kids/Peppa Pig/20150903 1720 - ABC2_KIDS - Peppa Pig.ts
/media/hdd/movie/Kids/Peppa Pig/20180711 0754 - ABCComedy_Kids - Peppa Pig.ts
/media/hdd/movie/Kids/Peppa Pig/20151013 0752 - ABC2_KIDS - Peppa Pig.ts
/media/hdd/movie/Kids/Peppa Pig/20150904 0750 - ABC2_KIDS - Peppa Pig.ts
/media/hdd/movie/Kids/Peppa Pig/20150504 0752 - ABC2_KIDS - Peppa Pig.ts
/media/hdd/movie/Kids/Peppa Pig/20141208 1824 - ABC2 _ ABC4 - Peppa Pig.ts
/media/hdd/movie/Kids/Peppa Pig/20150218 0752 - ABC2 _ ABC4 - Peppa Pig.ts
/media/hdd/movie/Kids/Peppa Pig/20180727 1729 - ABCComedy_Kids - Peppa Pig.ts
/media/hdd/movie/Kids/Peppa Pig/20150629 1720 - ABC2_KIDS - Peppa Pig.ts
/media/hdd/movie/Kids/Peppa Pig/20150305 0753 - ABC2_KIDS - Peppa Pig.ts
/media/hdd/movie/Kids/Peppa Pig/20150919 0751 - ABC2_KIDS - Peppa Pig.ts
/media/hdd/movie/Kids/Peppa Pig/20150316 1737 - ABC2_KIDS - Peppa Pig.ts
/media/hdd/movie/Kids/Peppa Pig/20150720 0751 - ABC2_KIDS - Peppa Pig.ts
/media/hdd/movie/Kids/Peppa Pig/20151103 0753 - ABC2_KIDS - Peppa Pig.ts
/media/hdd/movie/Kids/Peppa Pig/20150728 1719 - ABC2_KIDS - Peppa Pig.ts
/media/hdd/movie/Kids/Peppa Pig/20150726 0750 - ABC2_KIDS - Peppa Pig.ts
/media/hdd/movie/Kids/Peppa Pig/20151010 0752 - ABC2_KIDS - Peppa Pig.ts
/media/hdd/movie/Kids/Peppa Pig/20150425 1719 - ABC2_KIDS - Peppa Pig.ts
/media/hdd/movie/Kids/Peppa Pig/20150930 0752 - ABC2_KIDS - Peppa Pig.ts
/media/hdd/movie/Kids/Peppa Pig/20150220 0753 - ABC2 _ ABC4 - Peppa Pig.ts
/media/hdd/movie/Kids/Peppa Pig/20150408 0749 - ABC2_KIDS - Peppa Pig.ts
/media/hdd/movie/Kids/Peppa Pig/20150407 1743 - ABC2_KIDS - Peppa Pig.ts
/media/hdd/movie/Kids/Peppa Pig/20150628 0751 - ABC2_KIDS - Peppa Pig.ts
/media/hdd/movie/Kids/Peppa Pig/20150303 1736 - ABC2_KIDS - Peppa Pig.ts
/media/hdd/movie/Kids/Peppa Pig/20180425 0754 - ABCComedy_Kids - Peppa Pig.ts
/media/hdd/movie/Kids/Peppa Pig/20150406 1735 - ABC2_KIDS - Peppa Pig.ts
/media/hdd/movie/Kids/Peppa Pig/20180613 0754 - ABCComedy_Kids - Peppa Pig.ts
/media/hdd/movie/Kids/Peppa Pig/20180610 0754 - ABCComedy_Kids - Peppa Pig.ts
/media/hdd/movie/Kids/Peppa Pig/20180512 0754 - ABCComedy_Kids - Peppa Pig.ts
/media/hdd/movie/Kids/Peppa Pig/20150702 0752 - ABC2_KIDS - Peppa Pig.ts
/media/hdd/movie/Kids/Peppa Pig/20180504 1732 - ABCComedy_Kids - Peppa Pig.ts
/media/hdd/movie/Kids/Peppa Pig/20180605 1731 - ABCComedy_Kids - Peppa Pig.ts
/media/hdd/movie/Kids/Peppa Pig/20150406 1742 - ABC2_KIDS - Peppa Pig_003.ts
/media/hdd/movie/Kids/Peppa Pig/20180501 1731 - ABCComedy_Kids - Peppa Pig.ts
/media/hdd/movie/Kids/Peppa Pig/20180726 1730 - ABCComedy_Kids - Peppa Pig.ts
/media/hdd/movie/Kids/Peppa Pig/20180818 1730 - ABCComedy_Kids - Peppa Pig.ts
/media/hdd/movie/Kids/Peppa Pig/20150905 0750 - ABC2_KIDS - Peppa Pig [Rpt].ts
/media/hdd/movie/Kids/Peppa Pig/20150803 0752 - ABC2_KIDS - Peppa Pig.ts
/media/hdd/movie/Kids/Peppa Pig/20180625 0754 - ABCComedy_Kids - Peppa Pig.ts
/media/hdd/movie/Kids/Peppa Pig/20151012 1720 - ABC2_KIDS - Peppa Pig.ts
/media/hdd/movie/Kids/Peppa Pig/20150805 1721 - ABC2_KIDS - Peppa Pig.ts
/media/hdd/movie/Kids/Peppa Pig/20150715 1719 - ABC2_KIDS - Peppa Pig.ts
/media/hdd/movie/Kids/Peppa Pig/20180808 0754 - ABCComedy_Kids - Peppa Pig.ts
/media/hdd/movie/Kids/Peppa Pig/20180501 0753 - ABCComedy_Kids - Peppa Pig.ts
/media/hdd/movie/Kids/Peppa Pig/20150905 1720 - ABC2_KIDS - Peppa Pig [Rpt].ts
/media/hdd/movie/Kids/Peppa Pig/20150816 1739 - ABC2_KIDS - Peppa Pig.ts
/media/hdd/movie/Kids/Peppa Pig/20180704 0755 - ABCComedy_Kids - Peppa Pig.ts
/media/hdd/movie/Kids/Peppa Pig/20151029 1720 - ABC2_KIDS - Peppa Pig.ts
/media/hdd/movie/Kids/Peppa Pig/20150416 1719 - ABC2_KIDS - Peppa Pig.ts
/media/hdd/movie/Kids/Peppa Pig/20150318 0753 - ABC2_KIDS - Peppa Pig.ts
/media/hdd/movie/Kids/Peppa Pig/20150626 0751 - ABC2_KIDS - Peppa Pig.ts
/media/hdd/movie/Kids/Peppa Pig/20151007 1719 - ABC2_KIDS - Peppa Pig.ts
/media/hdd/movie/Kids/Peppa Pig/20150520 0751 - ABC2_KIDS - Peppa Pig.ts
/media/hdd/movie/Kids/Peppa Pig/20150503 0751 - ABC2_KIDS - Peppa Pig.ts
/media/hdd/movie/Kids/Peppa Pig/20150407 1743 - ABC2_KIDS - Peppa Pig_002.ts
/media/hdd/movie/Kids/Peppa Pig/20150404 0751 - ABC2_KIDS - Peppa Pig.ts
/media/hdd/movie/Kids/Peppa Pig/20180606 0754 - ABCComedy_Kids - Peppa Pig.ts
/media/hdd/movie/Kids/Peppa Pig/20150308 0753 - ABC2_KIDS - Peppa Pig.ts
/media/hdd/movie/Kids/Peppa Pig/20150920 1749 - ABC2_KIDS - Peppa Pig.ts
/media/hdd/movie/Kids/Peppa Pig/20150415 1719 - ABC2_KIDS - Peppa Pig.ts
/media/hdd/movie/Kids/Peppa Pig/20151015 0752 - ABC2_KIDS - Peppa Pig.ts
/media/hdd/movie/Kids/Peppa Pig/20180515 0754 - ABCComedy_Kids - Peppa Pig.ts
/media/hdd/movie/Kids/Peppa Pig/20180707 1729 - ABCComedy_Kids - Peppa Pig.ts
...
and a few hundred more :-)

scotty · Post by **scotty** » Tue Jul 02, 2019 16:32

netmask wrote: ↑
Mon Jul 01, 2019 20:27
Could another folder with all the attributes of Trash be created? Say call it transit?

Could you record to a folder in trash and have a symbolic link to that folder in your main movie list?

Scotty

prl · Post by **prl** » Tue Jul 02, 2019 16:56

scotty wrote: ↑
Tue Jul 02, 2019 16:32

netmask wrote: ↑
Mon Jul 01, 2019 20:27
Could another folder with all the attributes of Trash be created? Say call it transit?
Could you record to a folder in trash

Indeed you can, and it has been suggested already by a few people in this topic.

The main thing against it is that it's an ugly hack, even though it works.

scotty wrote: ↑
Tue Jul 02, 2019 16:32
and have a symbolic link to that folder in your main movie list?

Navigating via symbolic links is certainly possible, but it tends to make a mess of the "current directory path" display in the top right of the media selection screen.

Frozzix · Post by **Frozzix** » Wed Jul 17, 2019 12:54

MrQuade wrote: ↑
Mon Jul 01, 2019 11:00
MEDIA->MENU->Settings...->Remove items from trash after (days)

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